The Forum at Handcuffs.Org

Humane Restraints

22 visible archived posts · 22 preserved total · topic ID 1016

Cuffky 13 Dec 2005

Can one of you give me information about these cuffs?

http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com ... 74_3631001
http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com ... 74_3516217

couple of weeks gelende these ' ' cuffs '' for have.
I could be closed (voluntarily) on in isolationcell.
There I have had carry these cuffs in the isolationcell.
but I have got little information concerning.
Whereas I am best geintresseert in these cuffs.
I them this way would do if I had the chance.
Can you give some information
why these cuffs are used
And where are these get cuffs cheap.

Greatings,
a legcuff supporter!
(my English are not verywell)

The Amazing Michael 13 Dec 2005

Greetings from the US! You can try calling the manufacturer at 1-608-849-6313 (that is the outside of the US phone number) and ask what their policies are about shipping to where ever you are from. You can also try to reach them at www.humanerestraint.com and request a catalog. You are better off putting a company name on the request form.....I don't know if they will sell to a private citizen or not. I hope this helps, if not, you might want to talk to Yossie; his web address is on the links here. I am sure he can put you on the right track.

Cheers, Mike

Coldsteelcuffs 14 Dec 2005

I think the "Amazing" Michael missed the point of this individuals question?? You don't need to call the manufacturer!!

These restraints are sold by The Discount Handcuff Warehouse and made by Humane Restraint.. They are considered a "SOFT" restraint versus a Metal restraining device such as Handcuffs or Leg Irons/Shackles.. Primarily designed to be used with a "physciatric" population..

This restraints provide limited motion of the Wrists and ankles when applied properly AND Are VERY COMFORTABLE To wear long term... However, Depending upon the person you may sweat and the restraint can swivel around.. Usually they should provide a cloth liner/insert that will keep the restraint "cleaner" (also will make the restraint fit closer) but they should be Disinfected between use per the manufacturers instructions. And of COURSE NoBody should be left alone while restrained..

So it really depends upon your "roleplay" experience if the next item applies! The DOWN SIDE is that they can be cut off an a prisoner if you have any type of access to a tool, broken glass & etc.. If the "guards" are doing their job you should stay put in them..

The Amazing Michael 14 Dec 2005

No, I think I understood the question and the purpose just fine. This person is into long term bondage for sexual gadification and he/she wants to know where to buy these hobbles and waist belts from outside of the US. Discount Handcuff Warehouse does not ship outside of the US and Canada, so he/she wants to know where else to get them. I simply gave him/her the phone number and web-site of the manufacturer, the same manufacturer that sent me a catalog and a price list earlier this year.

Hey, if people get their kicks by letting someone tie them up overnight or whatever, who cares? I don't. Live and let live....at least they are not out causing harm to others. I am sure that some of our own here on this forum are into handcuffs and things in a sexual way....lets face it, we are not collecting stamps here, we are collecting devices of physical human restraint. But I know, "we just collect them because we are really into law enforcment!" BS!

Mike

hand cuff 14 Dec 2005

Now we know what the Amassing Michael is really into!

Monica 14 Dec 2005

Hence, the Term "Humane"

Cuffky 14 Dec 2005

hai evrey one,

thats a lot of information.

I dont used it for sexual.

This cuffs are such as Coldsteelcuffs says very confertable.
I like it to be cuffed in these cuffs fo a long time,dear in a (isolation) cell why i dont no but i like it. (I hope that this strangely do not sound)
At home i carry ost of the time legcuffs.. this cuffs (humane Restraints) to address me it most.

Yes I wil no where you can buy these cuffs. And you helping me further thanks for that.

I hope that i have this cuffs (hobbels) to buy so soon als passible.
Can I get these cuffs (hobbels) in the Netherlands without problems whit the customs authorities?

I hope that for every one clearwhat I of these cuffs (hobbels) find, and that it is not strange that I ask for these cuffs (hobbels), but they sit nice confertabel.. I carry them enraged gladly and dearest as long as possible enkelt because I them finds intresant and because I find the particular cuffs, on Internet there are no information about the cuffs.
Whereas I gladly carry these cuffs/ and there more concerning wants know.

Greetz.

an thanks for the ansers,

i visit Yossie's page!

The Amazing Michael 15 Dec 2005

Hand Cuff, there is no "ass" in Amazing....check your spelling. And just for the record, I am not into bondage. True, back in the day, I lashed the hands of a few young lasses <WINK>, but that hardly qualifies me as a bondage enthusiest.

I am an escape artist, I like to be tied up, but only because whenever I am getting tied up, there is usually money, exposure, or free handcuffs involved.....except for the W.E.A.R. event <OH SNAP!>, in which the money was going out of my pocket rather than in, the exposure was non-existant, and the restraining device used was provided by yours truly and may never be used again.....but don't get me pickin' at that open wound again.

There, I have said my peace, but before you go writing some smart-alac remark back at me, just remember the words of my former master....."If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possiblly imagine". And you don't want that.....do you?!!

May the Force be with you all!

Cheers, Darth Brooks (aka) The Amazing Michael

Cuffky 17 Dec 2005

No I do not try to escape out of this cuffs... only carry the cuffs.. for the fun.. sometimes white my girlfriend as master...

Mike 18 Dec 2005

#10

In response to Cuffky's question about the customs authorities. The customs authorities in uk, de and nl have no interest in the import of this type of item, other than to ensure that the correct import duties and VAT are paid. Export from the European Union, (or within the EU from the UK) is of course a different matter.

Maybe Günter has some experience of importing and exporting this type of equipment and can comment.

Tremex 18 Dec 2005

#11

Hello,

I used to read this forum for a few months ago, but I am not specialist and my english is too bad, so I prefer to stay as "observer".
I don't know if the Nederlands' laws are very similar to France, but I can try to give some informations, by hoping they are useful :
I have bought more than 50 handcuffs (and other objects) in foreign auctions on eBay, and until now customs have never asked any questions on these sendings. The possession is legal (but not the wearing in public areas, as for others weapons).
So I presume that sending of restraints to Nederlands is not a problem too, and maybe it is you who have to warn customs you want to pay legal fees on your purchase ... Customs do not have the time to verify all packets (I have read only 1 packet for 100, at best). The big problem will be to found a seller, as DHW don't sell to Europa, as said, and it is not practical.

Russell 19 Dec 2005

#12

The US export restrictions on the listed military and law enforcement items apply to "handcuffs" but no definition is given for what constitutes a handcuff. Also, no exception is made for antique items. You can export "handcuffs" out of the US (other than to Canada) only if you get a government license to do so.

It's also illegal to rob a convenience store, but people do that and get away with it, only because they don't get caught.

Is it a handcuff? Is it a manacle? Is it a restraint? I guess it's all up to the customs person to decide.

Coldsteelcuffs 19 Dec 2005

#13

All Cuffky needs to do is to find an honest person in the US to ship his purchases from DHW to and then pay the forwarding costs..

My opinion for shipping overseas.. Handcuffs/Shackles seem to classify as "bracelets" and Leather or PVC/Vinyl classify under "belts".

hand cuff 19 Dec 2005

#14

You say he needs an honest person, but what you are really saying is he needs a dishonest person, as it is against US law, no matter who sends it OR what you call it.

Mike 19 Dec 2005

#15

If Cuffky does not want to risk breaking US law, or inciting others to do so; there are European alternatives eg www.segufix.de (in German, English and Spanish). The effect of the US export restrictions would appear to be to deny US products a market elsewhere in the world.

Tremex 19 Dec 2005

#16

Annoying informations ... I have misinterpreted old threads on these restrictions. However it is so easy to find items on eBay ...
So last question for finish : does it have interesting legal sellers in USA or must I have search only europeans cuffs if I want a quiet sleep ?

Mike 21 Dec 2005

#17

Where ever you are in the world, I would advise most strongly against breaking US law in import/export matters, or inciting those within the US to do so. The US can be quite keen to try and enforce it's laws outside it's geographical boundries - this leads to interesting problems for US owned companies in Europe eg Sarbanes-Oxley requirements conflicting with European directives on data protection. And anyone exporting restricted items from the US risks incurring the wrath of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or US Customs.

Whilst the US authorities have no jurisdiction in Europe, and are unlikely to receive any help in this matter from national law enforcement or European Union institutions - no national or European law is being broken - one day you might want to travel to the United States.

Let your supplier obtain the proper export licence, or if they feel that their trade is being damaged, campaign for a change in the US law.

Russell 21 Dec 2005

#18

For a full description of what's going on here, go to:

http://www.bis.doc.gov/PoliciesAndRegul ... Rights.htm

Since the year 2000, as part of its policy to "punish" nations that abuse human rights and religious freedoms, the US has restricted exports of certain crime control devices (firearms, stun guns, ammunition, handcuffs, etc.) to those countries on the grounds that they might be used to torture people. The list of countries on the "we don't like you" list is rather lengthy.

If you are an exporter of such articles, you've always had to have a customs export license whereby the Treasury Department made sure you paid your export taxes. This thing is an additional license issued by the Department of Commerce whereby they can (1) prevent exports to countries they don't like and (2) monitor what is being exported to countries they do like.

While the federal statute only uses the term "handcuffs" without any definition, the Department of Commerce has filled this in and expanded the term to include any type of physical "restraint" including humane restraints designed and marketed for use in a medical environment to prevent patients from hurting themselves.

What's truly interesting is that after these restrictions were imposed, companies in Pakistan and elsewhere began manufacturing in huge quantities all of the old-style low-technology restraints, such as Darby-style handcuffs, leg irons, neck collars, combination restraints, thumbscrews, wrist screws, etc. Does anyone out there really believe these are being sold only to "collectors?"

With respect to handcuffs (or, to be precise, "restraints"), is this ridiculous? Of course it is. Can restraints be used for human torture? Yes, and so can pliers, screwdrivers, coathangers, rope, sticks and rocks.

Mike 22 Dec 2005

#19

Thank you very much for posting this - I had not seen the text of the US restrictions before, and this explains US thinking quite clearly.

It seems to me that there should be no problems obtaining an export licence for anything which is not an impliment of torture to be shipped to European Union countries.

I think the final comment explains the motivation behind some of these controls which may seem senseless given the availability of handcuffs etc in foreign markets.

"The foreign availability provision does not apply to Section 6(n) of the Act6. Congress has recognized the usefulness and symbolic value of these controls in supporting U.S. Government policy on human rights issues, foreign availability notwithstanding."

hand cuff 22 Dec 2005

#20

Take a look at the forms required for the export license, and tell me "there should be no problems obtaining an export licence" if you are not a corporation. In addition, most collectors don't want to wait the 6 to 8 weeks that it takes to get the license, for their items to be shipped.

Mike 22 Dec 2005

#21

The Department of Commerce web site makes clear that the intention of the US Government is to prevent the export of handcuffs to countries which do not meet minimum standards for human rights, not to inhibit foreign trade generally. I think this is to be welcomed. As the document states, availability of these items in foreign markets and the use of other items for torture does not diminish the value of these controls in supporting US policy on human rights.

The complexity of the form (I've had a quick look but not found BIS-748P on line) and delays in processing applications are a consequence of big, unwieldy and inefficient government, not any intention to prevent the export of handcuffs to countries such as the UK, France and Germany.

As I said - there should be no problem.

Cuffky 05 Jan 2006

#22

Thanks for your information, I hope have the restraints rapidly, perhaps I make, however, a photograph if I sit in the cuffs. These restraints in each psychiatry hospital are used?, I will once look at if I can launch myself voluntarily to close with these restraints. In sun cell of a psychiatry institution. Once look at if there is a difference between issolationcell and a cell of an institution. They can than 5 days fixed houden.(klinkt, however, longer for your perhaps strange but I find it simply nicely to be locked up and hand/legcuffs to carry.)