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Can you help me describe these petite cuffs? Adams? Childs?

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Jeff Meng aka beenpickin 14 Apr 2006
#1
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Ian McColl 14 Apr 2006
#2
Hi, the cuffs are Adams as you might already know, the bows are broken ( seems to have happened to several types of this non swing thru cuff.)

They're only worth is for spare parts, the springs inside the cuffs are worth recovering but nothing else ( IMHO )

Ian
Mark Lyons 14 Apr 2006
#3
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Ian,
I do believe that you may not have paid enough attention to the scale of these things. They are unbelievably tiny!
It seems silly to have a salesman sample made of these, but this is one possibility that might explain why these were made. The other might be that they were needed in case Col. Tom Thumb decided to go criminal.

mark
O--O
stan willis 14 Apr 2006
#4
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Mark:
Have another cup of coffee and look again. The dimensions are a full size, very rusty Adams cuff.
Stan
Mark Lyons 14 Apr 2006
#5
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Well, I must be cracking up or that is a an unusually large quarter!


mark
O--O
Ian McColl 14 Apr 2006
#6
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Is it a regular handcuff or a large coin and magic rule?

Ian
JDB1979 14 Apr 2006
#7
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Ok, at the risk of getting told (since I'm a newbie) to stay out of the conversation. I took a pair of Model 300 Peerless cuffs, set them on the lowest setting and my quarter looks just the same inside my cuffs as the cuffs and quarter in the picture. Don't ask me what this means, except I can tell you that if the cuffs in the picture worked, they would fit a person, maybe a women or child, or just a smaller man, but they do seem like theyΒ’d fit a person. (Going strictly off the quarter test of course.)

Just my observation of size.

James Brown
stan willis 14 Apr 2006
#8
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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MARK!
How do you explain the minaiture ruler?
Stan

stan willis 14 Apr 2006
#9
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Thant should be "MINIATURE"
michael 14 Apr 2006
#10
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Hi Mark and Stan and Ian
you are not giving any thought to the difference in what a quarter is worth now as opposed to then. This could account for the difference in size


or not
how say you Dr. Evil?
Mark Lyons 14 Apr 2006
#11
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Well, by looking at the ruler, I now realize that these are actually gigantic cuffs!
If you look closely at the tape measure you will see in red ink that that first increment states that it is 8 feet. The way I see it now, the one side of the cuff appears to be about 32 or 33 feet!

mark
O--O
Brad Darling 14 Apr 2006
#12
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Standard size, cut off bows - peened over, whupped with a ugly stick. Should be a great addition to a rust collection.:o
Ian McColl 15 Apr 2006
#13
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Hi Mark, the tape measure is a special piece of equipment used by life guards for impressing women. This one belongs to Stanley, who can show you what 8 feet is any day.

Ian
Brad Darling 15 Apr 2006
#14
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Jeff,

That was incredibly brusque of me. Please forgive me. You were only looking for help in how to describe them.

So, being an occasional eBay seller myself I have given it some thought on how to best present them, consistent with the spirit of eBay selling. Here we go:

"Adams antique handcuffs, c:1862. (Police, fire, magicians, escape artists, locksmiths, circus clowns, weirdos).

Have eloquently aged to perfectly express the era in which they were created. The bows have been expertly cut off to make the cuffs smaller when carried in the pocket, probably for use by old west undercover officers. The ends of the bows have been carefully peened over where cut off to assure that the cuffs will not accidentally open.

The quality of this workmanship is so high that, although we have not been able to confirm it, we believe that it could have been done by renowned handcuff artisan Ian McColl. We will be seeking a letter from Mr McColl, or his heirs, in an attempt to confirm this.

Additionally, the cuffs have been professionally whupped with an ugly stick which only adds to their uniqueness.

These cuffs will make an outstanding addition to any advanced rust collection"

First bid $10,000.00.
Edgeplay_Cgo 15 Apr 2006
#15
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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<LMFAO>
You are truly evil, Brad. I like that.

Ian McColl 15 Apr 2006
#16
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Bad Brad Bad!(LMAO)
Ian
Brad Darling 15 Apr 2006
#17
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Does this mean I can still send my IJ leg irons to you for touch up?
Jeff Meng 15 Apr 2006
#18
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Sorry it took so long to get back and thanks for all the responces. I appreciate your frankness and hope you don't mind if I cut and paste
This is such a fine group I wish I had more interest in cuffs. I only collect user tools, don't engage in bondage and don't see myself getting much use out of a pair but I do enjoy a nice collection on display. I hope everyone has a nice weekend.
Ian McColl 15 Apr 2006
#19
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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G'day Brad, yeah sure, bit what is wrong with them?
I like you humour, it's nice to be bad now and then.

ian
Brad Darling 15 Apr 2006
#20
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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Hey Ian, I'll email with details. They're a bit cranky.

Joe and Stan think they're pretty rare.

Been meaning to post pics for two weeks, but the trees have been keeping me busy.
Brad 15 Apr 2006
#21
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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PS:

Jeff, I meant to add, thanks for visiting our wonderful site and thanks for being such a good sport. Good luck on the sellin'.

And come visit us anytime.

Brad
Wolflock 26 Apr 2006
#22
My brother has given these to me to list (you know where) for him. He has had them for many years and I've always marveled at the size. If they had ever been modified by shortening the tangs, it was long ago and I see no saw marks. If there was a key, the tips of the tangs would need files as they have mushroomed a bit over the years from banging around. They are rather rough with pitting and I can find no makers marks. Would anyone care to comment on them in the hopes of me properly describing them? Thanks, Jeff
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!


I unfortunately do not have enough experience with any cuffs of this design so I cannot give a valid comment, but Thank you guys! I have not laughed this much in a long time. It made my day. Nice to see that people still have a sense of humour.

Regards
Wolflock