fake or authentic??

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Andy

Check his feedback on eBay. That should answer your question. It wouldn't be 99.9% if he were selling fake items.

Phil

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Andy

You pose an interesting question.
Item
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has two indian made padlocks in the photo and the heavy weight could be off anything.

Item
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Cast iron bar shackle has a slotted screw for the rivet in the hinge. Interesting?

Item;
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If these are supposed to been one unit at the period, then both the shackles and the large links would have the same patina but they are different. The shackles are a lighter weight design than the links they are attached to also.

Other than that, they look fine
Ian

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Andy

There is no slotted screw head in the cast iron shackles.

It is a peened rivet.

If you don't believe me, would you care to make a bet on it via this public forum?

Nice try Ian.

I can't wait until the day you list something for auction so that I can try and sabotage the sale with false observations like you always do.

Steve Santini

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Andy

Hi Steve, I suspect these are your items being sold on your behalf?

From the photo of the open hinge of the item I mention, it does appear to be a single slotted screw. It is only an opinion based on the only photo of it.

I guess someone else or two might have their own opinion as well.

cheers

Ian

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Andy

Hi.
I am not here to debate if they are authentic or not, but I am impressed by Steve's matching up his discription pictures with the photos from one or more books. It must have took time to find the matching photos and they do match up well.
I would like to know if it is one book or more and what are its titles? I would like to get a copy for myself.

mark
"Kuffs"
O--O

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Andy

Hi Mark, I didn't enlarge most of the additional pictures but I guess they are from the following book. It's a great read.

from the website
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Inquistion - a Bilingual Guide to the Exhibition of Torture Instruments From the Middle Ages to the Industrial Era: Presented i
by Held, Robert
Publisher Information:
Qua D'Arno Publishers 1985


Oversized Softcover In Spanish and English. Some sticker residue to front cover. No markings.


Condition: VG
ISBN: 8885035078
Book ID (sku): 99035
..............
Ian

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Andy

Thank you much!

I will be looking very hard for a copy.

mark
O--0

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Andy

> It is a peened rivet.

The eBay photo certainly looks like it has a slot in the head. A modern repair of an old item? A fake? An odd artifact of the photograph? I'm not prepared to say. There were slotted screws used in C18, but for this lowly purpose?

Likewise, the Springer Darby cuffs with the bar chain. The cuffs certainly don't look like they match the chain. But they are not attached to the chain. There is no way that tit can be provcen that they are a set, a modern agglomeration of antique parts, or something in between. In service, these were just restraints. There is absolutely no reason a pair of broken restraints wouldn't be combined with the parts of another booken pair and put into service. Who can tell the provenence of these items? There never is any documentation.

If you know enough about the history of metallurgy of the period, and I don't, you can probably make some shrewd guesses with a grinding wheel and a calibrated eyeball. But that can't be done until after ya pays yer nickel and ya takes yer chance. There's no way I'm letting you apply an angle grinder to my cuffs, real, fake, or unknown.

Real antiques on e-bay can be a gamble, as it's difficult to do the proper research. Caveat emptor and all that.