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I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

????????? why do you care ????? if you can't give your name, you don't belong on this site & probably any other site as well.... get lost........ joe

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Now what did I do to deserve a reply like that?

Funny. I've noticed mention of "names" being given on this site before. We all know how easy it is to get free e-mail addresses, and to invent IDs, so does it really make a difference? Relax - if I told you who I was you still wouldn't know me from Adam.

The question was genuine. I asked because the whole topic interests me, and I've already explained my own interest.

As for "Get lost"? How can I, when you've made it so clear where I stand!

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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?????? NOVICE: it is a pretty patedic excuse you have..... IF YOU WANT -- RESPECT -- you NEED TO GIVE IT !!! those who are CHICKEN to give there name & where they are from etc etc are those who always just seem to WANT WANT WANT & NEVER GIVE.... enough said.... joe

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I'm sorry you feel that way, Joe.

I don't know what I did to make you so - whatever - but then it's not my problem to deal with.

Give? Receive?
I've given pictures of cuffs and keys, in answer to questions.
I've given my reasons for being interested in the topic.
You've given - me abuse.

As you say, 'nuff said. From you, that is, unless you feel like apologizing?

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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How funny to hear you ranting about respect all the time when you can't even be bothered to spell and format your posts in any way that resembles correct English. And way to answer a question.

I think my reasons are similar... it's an engineering problem. I know very little about engineering and how these things are solved, but I find the results of the engineers' work fascinating.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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ROTHEN must be for ROT THEN.....fits you..YOU wrote::: I don't know what I did to make you so - whatever - but then it's not my problem to deal with...................................
but it is YOUR problem... as i said, IF you expect respect, then you need to respect others & by not saying who YOU are DIS-RESPECTS EVERYONE ELSE that posts to this forum !!!!!
i got your attention & not that it matters to you, but now YOU have earned alittle RESPECT from me... you still have a ways to go as you did not sign with your name.... keep paying attention & maybe you will learn SOMEDAY.... TO BE RESPECTFUL ..... joe

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hey Novice, how about a name? how hard can that be?

You don't just walk into a party and start chatting up, you introduce yourself and then start a conversation.

Instead of crying that your feelings have been hurt, which has taken more time to type that saying, "hey my name is "ABC" I am interesting in handcuff and have or not been collecting for "x" years and I was wondering?...........


where have basic values gone?

Ian

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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OK - I apologized for "butting in" on this thread ( http://www.network54.com/Forum/261154/t ... +handcuffs) and signed my name, as I usually do - Ian.
But it really doesn't help much, does it, "Ian"?
So I forgot to repeat it - you think I'm going to after an attack like Joe's?

I even adopted the (unique) monica "Novice" in recognition of the more knowledgeable residents of this forum. I now see with some sadness that that respect was misplaced.

You guys have nothing to teach me about the art of social discourse.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Dear Ian,

I think you mean moniker...

Your picture contribution to the Goldfinger handcuffs thread was very helpful and useful to me. I still appreciate it. I long had suspected the handcuffs in the Fort Knox scene to have been La Pegy, yet remained short of being positive. It was your contribution that did the trick. Thank you for that.

Threads sometimes get out of hand here. It has increased enormously, or so it seems to me, over the past year. Because of that, I have tended not to participate much. Flashes and flare-ups hardly are unique to the Forum, though. The whole human race is distressed and hard-pressed from being suppressed and second-guessed. Here endeth the sermon.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Dear Novice

As host I am pleased to welcome you to the site. You question is a good one, but not an easy one to answer. I got into the hobby from the Houdini/escape artist side, acquired one pair of cuffs, then another and then a few hundred more.

I am also quite interested in the mechanisms, but in recent years I have become interested in the history and evolution of cuffs.

Joe

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I like this question,

I will answer only for myself, but I do know of at least one other escape artist who shares my answer at lest a bit, and there are almost certainly more out there.

My passion for handcuffs is based on the psychology of restraint. If you watch any cop or hero shows on TV or movies, handcuffs are everywhere. Indeed even in school (I am a teacher) you find handcuffs from time to time. These are the ultimate (modern day) symbol of restraint. As a child, I was afraid of such things. For what ever reason I highly value my freedom. So I set out to learn, as a young teen, how I might take control over my own freedom.

I remember at age 12, going to camp and having the experince of seeing an older camper with his hands locked behind him. He had 2 tormenters literally kicking his butt. He was pleading to be let out. I left that building quickly, not interested in watching him getting kicked, and not wanting to be next. I was impressed by the helplessness of his predicament. He could not defend himself, and while he could have run, he would eventually have to return to his tormentors if he wanted the cuffs removed.

I never wore handcuffs until I started learning how to get out, and I ma gratful for that. The time I got arrested, I was already well experienced in taking bets for money, and so I was able to remain calm while restrained, knowing I would be safe, and not get my butt kicked, or worse.

Overall my handcuff abilities give me a sense of power and control in a world where I have little, and in a situation where I am supposed to have none.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hi Novice,

Welcome to the forum. It's a great place to learn about the mechanics of handcuffs, their design and style, and their history. And some are very rich in history.

I think I understand where you are coming from in your interest in handcuffs. Mine is similar. I'm very interested in the lock designs as well as the style of the different cuffs. Heck, somebody had to design the different lock mechanisms so that handcuffs would do what they're suppose to do.

My interest started in my granddaddy's country store. He sold padlocks, and I would get one when I would visit him to take and try to pick. It was a thrill whenever I could take a gem clip or any other piece of metal and make a lock "click" open without using a key.

Eventually, I got hold of a set of standard handcuffs. Since handcuffs are designed to restrain people, it became more intriguing to be able to open them without a key, either by picking the lock or by shimming them. As time went by, the style of the different kinds of cuffs became more interesting. And my hobby took off from there. I now have many different kinds of cuffs, some for the way they work, and others simply for their beauty or history.

May I offer a suggestion to you? Go back through the past posts in this forum and do some reading if you haven't already done so. There are many threads that I think will address your initial question. Just pick some subjects that look interesting to you, especially where there have been many posts to the subject, and read through them. There's a search feature for this forum - use that to search on some keywords that may bring up messages that are of interest to you. I think you'll find lots of information that you are looking for.

Once again, welcome, and I hope you'll continue to visit this forum. It's a two way street here. If you have a good answer to someone's question, share it. If you have a question, ask it (but check the old threads first to see if it's already been answered). There's some really fine people here that will be glad to answer questions you may have, and help you along with your hobby.

Take care,
Phil Ingram

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Thanks for the replies, they were interesting. It's good to see that others' motivation is so similar to my own.

I'm embarrassed to admit that my "collection" is very small. When I was a little kid, I had a pair of toy cuffs, part of a "Detective" kit I think, that opened with the press of a button. Even then I remember thinking "what's the point of that?" and looking for ways to convert them into something sensible. Don't know what happened to them, but I don't think they survived my experiments. At any rate, I have only just got hold of my 13th pair of proper cuffs (Hiatt 1960s)and never intended that I should have even that many. Some, like the Hiatt 2103 Speedcuff, have been a disappointment - the quality seems poor, with sharp edges. Others, like the Spanish "Fury" high security cuff with the universal joint, are much more prized because they are so much better made, and a bit different from the run-of-the-mill.
I've already taken that advice about reading back through the archives, and will continue to keep an eye on new postings.

Ian Scott.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hi Ian,

Don't worry about your collection being small. Everyone had to start with one pair of cuffs, then build that into a small collection, then perhaps into a large collection. So don't be embarrassed. Even a small collection with some very carefully chosen cuffs can be a valuable collection to be proud of.

Now that you mention it, I had a set of toy cuffs when I was small that opened with the push of a button. I got stuck in them once. How one could get stuck in them, I don't know, but I managed to do it. Mom had to get me out.

Sounds like you've got a decent start on a collection. Just take it slow, perhaps pick one or two types or brands of cuffs to concentrate on collecting for now, then branch out later. Before long, you'll find you have a pretty good collection going.

You might also purchase a book or two or three that show the many different kinds of handcuffs and leg irons. There's also a CD by Stan Willis that I highly recommend you buy that has a huge collection of cuffs to view. It's only $19 and worth every penny and more. The CD and books can be found at http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/books&videos.html .

Cheers,
Phil

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Why am I interested in cuffs?

For me it started as an erotic interest. I’m into BDSM, which can include the erotic use of restraints. A long time ago I bought a pair of those tinplate pinwheel monstrosities from a <cough> novelty store. Shortly thereafter, I upgraded to S&W and Peerless, because any fool knows they are duty quality. They’re also safer than the junkers. Some time later, while on holiday in London, I found a nice pair of Darby’s in a surplus store.

But it wasn’t until I tripped across Yossie’s Handcuff Collection (waving thanks and hurling curses at Yossie Silverman) that I had a clue about the variety of restraints, both modern and historical, that comprise the world of cuffs. He set me on the slippery slope.

My present collection can charitably be discussed as modest. But I can envision myself, in abject poverty, standing up at a meeting saying, “Hi! I’m Dennis. It’s been sixteen days since I’ve handled a pair of handcuffs,” all the while, fondling the key in my pocket.

Aside from the erotic interest, which can be satisfied for about a hundred bucks, there is the technical marvel of the machines themselves. In this aspect, handcuff collecting is akin to the collecting of guns. Other motives aside, there is a love of the finely tuned mechanism performing its assigned task, with great reliability. Or maybe not so great reliability in the case of some of the more valuable collectables.

You’ve stumbled into a pretty unique place. Here, the nomenclatura of the restraint world gather to trade wisdom and barbs. I am impressed by the collection of knowledge here, and I’m hard to impress. It is truly an honour to sit at this table.

As a side note and a bit of unrequested advice, this board is somewhat prickly about anonymous members. I’m probably on the thin edge, just using my first name. <shrug> Different ships, different longsplices.

Welcome aboard. You just missed the grog ration.

- Dennis

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hey Ian,

Welcome to our forum. Don't feel the least bit uncomfortable about being a "novice". I've been collecting for over twenty years and I'm still just a kid around here. I think sometimes I know a lot on a subject and some of these guys get to tossing out info and I start to wonder where I've been.

It's a lot of fun when you come up with a question that we can all pile info on, if we know.

I'm a retired Sheriff's commander. One of the divisions I was assigned to over the years was the Court Services Division, the largest in our department and responsible for all prisoner movement, transportation, courtroom security and VIP stuff. We had nothing but trouble with the cheap Peerless cuffs we were getting and were opening more of them with bolt cutters than keys, or else having the inmates open them for us. Most of them could open them easier without a key than we could with. The solution was fairly simple in the end, we spent $3.00 more per pair for S&W medium security cuffs, although it meant an annoying key changeover.

Anyway during that time I got curious about cuff history, found a few oldies and was hooked. I don't have a whopping collection, maybe 75, but it's what's in the collection that you enjoy, not how much it weighs when you move it.

I too, like figuring out how they work and how they were made and the variations. I probably have every patent ever issued.

I can't escape from anything. I'd have to borrow an inmate to help me get out.

Enjoy your new hobby, enjoy our forum.

Brad

PS: Do what Phil said, buy books, everyone you can find.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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hi Ian

welcome to this forum
with my collection is it the same like all other collections
it starts with one cuff a copy takeda and in the years after that
my collection gets bigger and bigger
for now on my collection has about 180 to 200 different types off handcuffs legirons and thumbcuffs and some disposibles and some comealongs
so if you start to collect you start allways with a small collection of 1 or 2 cuffs then it gets bigger
it is what they say buy a book and the cd of stan is very good
so enjoy this forum and collecting cuffs

patrick

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Fred just sent us a copy of a letter from Patterson Smith that give his explanation of our hobby. Patterson Smith was a major dealer 40-50 years ago.

Thanks Fred.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Thanks Fred.

I had started writing about my interest in collecting when I noticed that my words were starting to sound familiar to me. They are also close to the above letter you provided.
I realized that the words I was writing were already said on one of my "about me" pages.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... erid=cuffs.

mark
"Kuffs"
O--O

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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My thanks to Fred also. It's a timeless document and gets right to the point.

Joe: Thanks for posting the letter. Do you reckon this could be placed at some prominent location in Handcuffs.org, perhaps off of a link at the top of the Preliminaries on the home page of Handcuffs.org? Just a thought.

Phil

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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My interest in handcuff collecting began as I started getting deeper into the "escape artist" performing as opposed to magician. I started collecting shortly after I met the Indy Lock Show Bunch as a way to both expand my escape performing and to carry on a conversation with these guys (and Sheila) and have at least a small amount of knowledge. My collection is still in its infancy...I'm discovering it's a very expensive habit! When I get the chance to associate with people like Joe Lauher, Stan Willis, Joseph Fox, Ian McColl, Fred Pittella, John Bushey, The Cannons, and others too numerous to mention, I consider it an honor. Imagine my surprise when I was working with the local magicians group with the traveling exhibit Magic: The Science of Illusion and saw in the Houdini section, "handcuffs used by Houdini...on loan from the collection of Joseph Fox"! I did guess the handcuffs wrong, but I was given partial credit by Joseph for at least attempting a guess. I guessed Marlin-Daleys, but they were actually Caveneys. Oh well, I still have a lot to learn!

Margarette

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Who can identify all the cuffs in the background of the Patterson Smith letter? Cool letterhead indeed.

Joe

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I think that I can trace my answer back to when I was 13 (what's up about that age) when a friend had a pair of handcuffs and we were taking turns handcuffing each other to a tree and running away. I remember the feeling, of not being in control and how does this contraption work. After I moved away, I started mailordering them one at a time. Now, 30 years later I have about 50 or so from all over the world and am very intrigued with how they work and how to escape from them. I am honored to say that I have personally seen Stan's collection a few times when I was in town on business (next time I am getting your CD, Stan).

Here is a link to show some of my collection

http://24.95.54.231/hobby/backyard.htm

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I also have learned a lot on here, have kinda been collecting since I got my first pair of Harvard Leg Irons in 1958.

Could not identify any of the older one's if I had to, basically interested in only the modern swing through designes.

I can "fine tune" them to perform better than they were when they left the factory.

Did learn many things at the two years the convention was held in Indy, and had a fun time again there this year.

Howy
Cincinnati

P.S.

Any other former ASA people on here?
14th Hakata, 175th Bien-Hoa, retired CI type USAR.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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My interest came from escapes as well. I never go into collecting "every cuff out there," only ones that were of interest to me. Each cuff has to be functional (even if repaired) and must have a key (or the ability to obtain one). I've only got one cuff that is keyless.

I've had as many as 120 restraints and as few as 45. Currently I've got roughly 57 (many paid for oral surgeries over the past 4 years) but I am slowly growing the collection back up again.

I'll take a poor guess at the cuffs from the letter. Top to bottom left to right: Adams, Harvard, Burdick Chain, Bean Giant, Tower, Lilly barcuff, Convict Spike(?), Tower Lyon, Plug Legiron(?), Romer, Gill Thumbcuff (not sure which one), Marlin Model 1, Plug 8, Rankin Legiron, Hexbolt Gyves (or a Lilly legiron), Plamer, Cobb, Oregon Boot.

Shawn

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hello,

In the lengthy listing -- 20 items long -- atop his letterhead, "Darbies" is fourth on the list and is the first specific design. In the stationery background, there are no darby "Shackles, Manacles, [or] Handcuffs" pictured.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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tjones,

What kind/brand of handcuffs are those in the very center of the picture? The ones with the large lock? Where did you get those?

Phil

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I can answer that. They are the Boa cuff. It is the prototype for the Cuff-Maxx. There are not many around, and you can't buy them. They were sold on ebay several years ago.
Tom neglected to say my web address to find my CD is
http://www.handcuffsandbadges.com
Stan

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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I forgot to mention that the CD has pictures of all the items on the Patterson Smith letterhead, except I'm not sure what the leg iron below the Bean Giant is supposed to be.
Stan

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Thanks Stan. Appreciate the information. Maybe one will show up again someday on eBay. You never know!

Phil

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Thank's Stan. I got those from the President of Cuffmaxx. I was toying the idea of doing some sales and web design for them and he sent me those and a blueprint. I also have the Peerless, S&W and the Cover for the S&W.

I was wondering what interests people in handcuffs - what got YOU started on your collection and/or studies?

For myself, I think it's the challenge of the mechanism. It has to be small enough to fit into a cuff-sized restraint, yet reliable enough to be safe but at the same time robust against all kinds of physical force that might be used against it. It's a real challenge for both inventor and manufacturer, and there have been so many different approaches over the centuries. So I find any novel approach fascinating, especially where it changes the fundamental operation, but I'm less impressed by details of styling and finish that might engage a "true" collector, like whether the rivets have been polished smooth, or whatever.

So, come on, why are YOU here - what interests you?

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Hi Novice.

I have a few cuffs, enough to be considered a 'collection' but nothing to compare to vast collections and knowledge of others on this forum. I have learned a lot here.

I started collecting Smith & Wesson handcuffs as a result of my interest in S&W firearms. All of my cuffs are various models of S&W handcuffs.