Questions to ask of Manufacturers if you had the chance

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Question: Why are the bracelets on standard Peerless cuffs so small? They need to be updated to fit larger wrists (not mine).

Question: What ideas/innovations can we expect to see in the near future from Peerless and S&W? Different materials?

Question: Why not rounder edges (for us escape artists, of course) on the bracelets?

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Dorson

I would be most interested in a list of dates for the various model change overs.

At the website: http://www.handcuffs.org/peerless/

you will find a table of peerless cuffs compiled form my collection along with the Stan Willis and Gordon Gluff collections. One can see steady evolution of model changes. The Model numbers 1, 2, 3 and "new or 4th" are taken from Dick Norman's book. They are not Peerless model numbers. One good question. Did Peerless use model numbers during their first 50 years?

I have also never understood what happened in the 1950s. The "4th" or "new" model cuffs came out. They included such inovations as the warded key and the aluminum model. They obviously were not very successful since few were made and the company reverted to the previous model. Since the patent dates were old they used the patent numbers instead of the dates.

For years late 60s through the 80s(?) they made the same basic cuff with outdated patent numbers. So what was the story with those 1950s cuffs?

Another question. Do they know if they ever put serial numbers on the very first cuffs. The patent model with the cureve lock case. I have two and have seen another such cuff with a embossed number on the rear below the key hole. It looks like a serial number to me.

cheers
Joe

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Ask S/W why they won't bring back the Model 90's (The best handcuff they ever produced). Myself & several other co-workers of mine would buy them in a heartbeat.

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Peerless did address the problem of including a larger wrist with the introduction of their Hinged Design which is Larger.. Also they put a set of the leg irons on a smaller chain two or three link for the big guys..

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Ask what they can tell you about the model 600.
I believe there is a model between the Peerless 400 and the 500 as we know it. The markings say model 500, but on the edge (see pics), and the swivels are the old style. Serial numbers I have seen are 25000 and 35000 range. What can you find out about when these were made and the serial number range.
Thanks.
Stan

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

I should mention that the pics of the 500 are from the ones I bought on ebay. I lifted them from ebay and they are property of the seller.
Stan

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

"ColdSteelCuffs

Questions to ask of Manufacturers if you had the chance
June 16 2006, 11:59 AM

Peerless did address the problem of including a larger wrist with the introduction of their Hinged Design which is Larger.. Also they put a set of the leg irons on a smaller chain two or three link for the big guys.."

Yes, I am aware of both of these. But, I'm talking about standard chain - not hinged, which I think are punitive as much as they are restrictive. Also, the leg iron bracelet is huge compared to the standard cuff and allows for nearly anyone without elephantiasis of the wrists to rotate their wrists inside the cuff, which makes for easier escape. I would like to see something larger in a standard chain cuff that still allows for palms-away cuffing. Hiatts makes a 15% larger than standard cuff size, but they are way too sharp-edged for my skin.

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Sorry Janet,

Apparently you're not happy with the Manufacturer's Answer to your question; because that IS The Peerless Answer.. They offer THEIR Hinged Design then the Current production of the 2 LINKS of chain Model 7030 Handcuff (aka short chain leg irons)..

And your statement that Hiatt(s) offers a Handcuff that is %15 larger is INACCURATE.. Because from their STANDARD Model to the Model 2003 the wrist diameter is 17 Percent Larger NOT 15 Percent.

Apparently you're confusing an Industry NEED with a personal preference/ desire for a comfortable larger wrist opening in a Peerless Chain Model.

No individual who is trained in PROPER restraint techniques (As a Police Officer or Corrections) would apply ANY Metal handcuff without leaving enough room for an individual to turn/rotate their wrist in either or ANY cuff! Obviously your not aware of the LIABILITY That comes with what are the accepted practices for official and/or custodial handcuffing versus Escapology or Kink?? AND that NEED, Proper USE and the potential Liability ARE the Basis for a Manufacturers DESIGN and Production of it's Product line. AS WELL AS Factoring in PROFITABILITY of such a "Niche Market" handcuff; this is problably the logical reason as to why Peerless doesn't make a slightly larger handcuff like Hiatt(s) does.

I guess I miss Your Point about Peerless' Hinged Handcuff being Punitive as much as they are Restrictive?? Since when ISN'T OR Doesn't the Basic Function of a handcuff EVER Not be PUNITIVE as much as RESTRICTIVE in either the Hinged or Chained variety when Used in a Proper Manner for their intended purpose(s) ??

AS a Wholesale Industry Representative for a number of years FOR both Peerless and Hiatt(s) In Sales and at trade shows I can make statements Based Upon Facts not a Desire.

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Take your meds or go die or something. You are full of yourself, which is dangerous as you are surely septic.

BTW, this is Dorson's thread, not yours jackass!

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

I own some Hiatt's which were advertised as 15% larger when I bought them, which was several years ago. Also, my Peerless cuffs came with instructions recommending and illustrating palms away cuffing, which is the definition of "not allowing the wrist to rotate".

As an industry rep or not, CSC, you are wrong on those accounts. You owe an apology. And, nothing personal, but calm the heck down, eh mate?

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

15%, 17%, whatever. ColdSteel, you always seem to miss the point. Maybe you should read posts twice before launching one of your patented tirades. Are you the mfr. to whom the questions were asked? Clearly not. You're a handcuff groupie. Whooptidoo!

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

Greetings fellow collectors.

Would anyone happen to know when Smith & Wesson changed to the formal ampersand (‘&’) in their handcuff stamping? Thus far, I have come across models from as recently as 1976 that still use the older, unique ampersand. A set of model 91s that I own use the later symbol--that I believe were made in either 1977 or 1978, but it’s been so long that I’ve lost track.

Happy collecting…

Jason

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

So, did you ever have your meeting?

Hello all,
A friend of mine will be meeting with the people from Peerless and possibly Smith & Wesson next week. We were having a discussion about the beginings of Peerless and how S&W played a role in the early years. Since there seems to be some disagreement and gaps in history, what sort of questions would you want answered, I know I have some of my own. You can either email me or reply to the list.

-Dorson

I have a pair of S&W cuffs. I think they are model 90's. Got them from my uncle who was a policeman back in the 70's. They have the same locking pin as used on the peerless. Can anyone tell me any history or value information on these? They are still new, in the box with s&w wax paper. Thanks