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Bill 05 Sep 2006
#1
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

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H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















ColdSteelCuffs 05 Sep 2006
#2
What Items DO and Do NOT Have a Key? Do you know if they operate properly with a Key if Available? Do any have Multiples or Sets of Keys with them? That would help determine a Value..
Bill 05 Sep 2006
#3
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Keys may or may not be original, mostly 1 key where noted.
1)Chrome RCS 3 plug 8 has key (not original) and works one key
2)Hiatt 3, 70 has key maybe original, works
3)H&R key by link, has key works and looks great
4)H&R Leg cuffs and handcuffs, no key,
Handcuffs one open, pressed button feel spring tension
when closing cuff.
5) D shaped cuff no key
6) S&W high security has key works
7) Peerless 4927 hinged used std cuff key works

ColdSteelCuffs 05 Sep 2006
#4
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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In My Humble Opinion...

I would place a fair value of your Items at the following values going by the pictures top to bottom..


There are still some unknowns which need to be known such as what the items look like on the side not shown and if the items without keys function properly! For this opinion I'm assuming the item works if a key was provided if the Item does not work and the condition on the opposite side is degraded then the Value is LESS then what I have mentioned..

1.) Your Bean Cobb Pattern Cuff I believe is actually the the Union Hardware produced one which is more scarse then the Bean Cobb Tower one.. Notice the Different connecting link No Swivel Links; Also you have a Finish/Condition issue based JUST upon ONE Side of the Cuff!
I would ask $75.00 US

2.) Mattatuck Handcuffs D Shaped as you put it.. $85.00

3.) Hiatt Darbies w/Key.. Depending upon Size? Ladies/Childs (Small Cuff) Sizes increase the Value Greatly.. $75.00 assuming it's a standard size.

4.) Peerless Hinged Cuffs Modern.. Provided they only have Manufacturers Stamping no other engraving or Id Marks. $25.00

5.) H&R Bean Cobb Leg Irons $150.00 to $225.00.00

6.) Smith & Wesson Model 94 High Security Handcuff has key $75.00

7.) RCS Plug Eight/ w/Key/Plug cover present?? Figure of Eight Cuff W/Key Working $200.00 to $250.00

8.) H&R Arms.. This is the Second Model and More were produced note the grooves in the cuff bows these have a w/Key do they double lock correctly? Roughly $75.00

Again these this is My Opinion ONLY.. But I believe it reflects the current Retail market.. If you were going to list these items for sale you would have to consider a loss in the cost to sell the items.. But I think in the end this is what you could reasonable look at getting.

The H&R Bean Cobb Leg Irons Fluctuate "WILDLY" On Ebay! Over the years I've seen pairs sell for less then $150.00 to as high as $375.00. Some bidders just want an item and the Final PRICE in no Way Reflects the GENUINE VALUE of an item.

Well Let's see if the True Experts on this Board Agree or Disagree.. I could be Wrong in prices???
Bill 05 Sep 2006
#5
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Thanks for your pricing ideas I had no idea what they were worth even when I originally obtained them. I purchased / traded them about 20 years ago. At that time I met people to trade with at magic shows but it was scarce, also there were a couple of mail order places, and magic shop hunting. As time when on they ended up in the attic as my priorities changed.

This site could be a bad influence on me since it is great, loaded with information, and links. Causing the collector in me to come out again ... when I should be in liquidating and saving money mode. Do you know who would carry missing keys for antique cuffs including Mattatuck, H&R Cobb style handcuffs, H&R Cobb leg irons?

Thanks again,
Bill
1200cuffs 06 Sep 2006
#6
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Where is picture of Taylor Iron Claw?
Thanks you.
A
Bill 06 Sep 2006
#7
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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ColdSteelCuffs 06 Sep 2006
#8
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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I guess Silence Means the Experts Agree???

Well anyway Bill, you can get Keys through CannonsGreatEscapes. Click on the Banner for the Annual Convention..
Monica 07 Sep 2006
#9
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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The leg cuffs look nice. Selling?
Steve Santini 07 Sep 2006
#10
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Should they be, please contact me at steveshackles@myway.com

Thank you, Steve
Bill 08 Sep 2006
#11
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Not sure if I am selling yet, but will keep you in mind if I do.
joe tanner 08 Sep 2006
#12
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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BILL: IN MY OPINION ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
your BEAN COBB cuffs are actually H&R BEAN cuffs & are more desireable as there are less of them around ---- $150.+++
HIATT DARBIES are HEAVY BACKSTRAP hinged cuffs --- $125. +++
H&R BEAN COBB are also H&R BEAN ( i believe - my eyes are not as good as they use to be ) & if so ------ $225. +++............
R.C.S. PLUG cuffs by RUEBEN CRADDOCK & SONS -- are very desirable & IF they have the PLUG ---- $250. +++ if not less...
MATTATUCK cuff ----- $100.. ++..............................
values are basically MINIMUMS provided that items are in pretty decent condition & it looks like your items are........ joe
Monica 08 Sep 2006
#13
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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I would be happy to take those HR/Bean leg irons in pic 5 off your hands....er....legs. Will pay a nice price, too. (+;
Bill 08 Sep 2006
#14
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Thanks Joe, for the update. If you are the same Joe from Wheeler Tanner, back in the day I think you made the key for the RCS 8 and it has the plug. I was wondering are they considered RCS Heavy Boer-War Plug-8 Handcuffs (ref: Yossies site)? I was not sure since I do not see the plating on his. Also I think I picked up the H&R supers from you.

Thanks again for the info,
Bill

Monica I will post back here if I sell.

Steve Santini 09 Sep 2006
#15
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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Your Plug 8's were made in the 1950's and not during the Boer War period.

There are actually VERY FEW authentic Boer War model heavy plug 8's known to exist and because of the heavy frame, ALL massive plug 8's like yours have come to be known as "Boer War" models.

It is just a name with no bearing as to actual age or usage.

Steve Santini www.thedarkmaster.com
joe tanner 09 Sep 2006
#16
Looking at parts of my old collection ( just brought it down from the attic) was wondering values. Links to pictures below. Sorry if the pictures are not correct I am not familure with using photobucket.

Thanks,
Bill

---------
H&R Arms Comapny
Worcester. Mass.USA
PAT. 1984677
------------------------
RCS 3
Figure 8, chrome, some small chips on cuff,
and around plug
------------------------
Smith and Wesson high security
---------------------
H&R Arms Leg cuffs
--------------------
Peerless black hinge 4927
-----------------
Hiatt 70 key,
Cuffs marked hiatt 3, 70 on hinge,
s stamped in circle by hinge
--------------
??
-------
H&R arms
--------
Taylor iron claw
-----
















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BILL: yes, it is indeed joe tanner of WHEELER-TANNER... good to see that maybe you are getting the BUG again.....as the the KEY for the R.C.S cuff, i did not make it, but our good friend IAN MCCOLL of AUSTRALIA -- DID ..... take care... joe