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Sandstone 09 Oct 2006
#1
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

larho01 09 Oct 2006
#2
Hi

These cuffs are a modern reproduction, probably made in Pakistan or Afganistan. I'm sad to say but from a collectors point of view they are totally worthless.

Lars
Anonymous 09 Oct 2006
#3
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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What would be something that stands out as a red flag on being reproduction?

Thanks
larho01 09 Oct 2006
#4
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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There are several differences between original vintage handcuffs and fakes. First, the shape of the lock barrel is different. On reproductions they usually are much more like a cone compared to vintage Darby handcuffs. Second, the end of the swivel is flat. Vintage handcuffs have a rounded link. Also the shape of the key is different.

Please see comparison to vintage Darby handcuffs on the picture below.

Lars




Sandstone 09 Oct 2006
#5
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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Oh ok thanks for the info.
Mark Lyons 09 Oct 2006
#6
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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Hi

I would like to add that where the shackle goes into the lock body, there is extra material on the real cuff shackle tip to prevent a shim or other tool to enter the lock body and push back the locking bolt. The cheap reproductions have a more slender shackle tip that will allow for this type of manipulation.

The fresh brass brazing on the chains are usually the most visible indication of a fake or repro as well.


mark
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Edgeplay_Cgo 10 Oct 2006
#7
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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Not only are they a modern reproduction, they are a particularly nasty one.

First of all, look at the workmanship. The things are covered with file marks and grinding wheel marks. There are gaps and sloppiness all around. They look like they were fashioned by a blindman!

The shackle, that forms the hinge for the bow is fashioned from sheet metal folded over and driven onto the lock case. On genuine models, they would have been forged integrally with the lock case, or at least have been forged from one piece. Folding of sheet matal is easier if you can buy cheap sheet metal in bulk, Forging it whole is easier if sheet metal is expensive. It looks like the shackle is brazed to the lock case.

The plug in the end of the lock case is secured by center punch marks. On vintage cuffs, they are usually staked with a ring of "crows feet."

The chain links are brazed shut, and the braze metal is untarnished. Most cheap copies use electricly welded links. Vintage links would have been forge welded.

The swivel is particularly nasty. Looka at the elegant swivel on the vintage cuffs.

The keys on the copies are an odd fabrication. Usually, they appear to be a spring, sized to the screw threads on the lock bolt, brazed inside a cylinder. This is a bizarre construction. Apparently modern taps and dies, chaep as they are, are too expensive. The screw threads may be cut by hand. I've not cut up a pair to be sure, but I'd bet lunch that is so, and why the keys must be custom made. The threads on vintage Darbies are machined.

These "Pirate, Nautical, Slave, (Name a Famous)Prison" cuffs are all over eBay. They are a neat novelty item, but nothing more.
Monica 10 Oct 2006
#8
We picked these up at an antique store. The lady said it belong to a retired sheriff and that he got them from an auction.
Anyone have any idea approx age or brand or any info on them?
Only marking I see is the number 80 on key and cuff. No other visible marking of letters that I could make out.

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Wow! Great info from the experts! Thanks, guys!
lilkickinowl@msn.com 20 May 2022
#9
I have a pair of Darby style handcuffs and all they say is HARD no other markings are on them. Paid $40 for them
Joe Fox 20 May 2022
#10
Mark Lyon's "How To Spot Fakes" - is an excellent guide:

http://www.handcuffs.org/lyons/
djhalfdead 20 May 2022
#11
lilkickinowl@msn.com wrote: โ†‘
May 20, 2022
I have a pair of Darby style handcuffs and all they say is HARD no other markings are on them. Paid $40 for them
A pic would be helpful to try to identify if your cuffs are the real deal or not. More than likely with the word "HARD" factory stamped on them, they are real cuffs. But, with no other markings, it may not be possible to pin point what company actually made them. As long as they work and came with a good key, $40 isnt a bad price for a display item in like a shadow box or a conversation starter. Conductibility on something that the maker cant be identified, isnt something most collectors would be in the market for. But, at least this gives you hands on with a darby style handcuff and what to look for in the future, how they function, etc. Most working darby keys from legit police handcuffs can pull up to about $30 by themselves, without the cuffs. I dont think you did too bad, providing its a real darby.
-Richard Knip-
dru 22 Nov 2023
#12
My father was a federal probation officer in the late 70s up until 85. These were his handcuffs I believe. If they were not his handcuffs, they would have to be his uncle John handcuffs.. He was a captain in the New York City Police Department I believe in the 50s and 60s but Iโ€™m not sure of the exact years. Iโ€™m just trying to find out if my father was using his uncles cuffs or using his own and if they are considered vintage.
djhalfdead 22 Nov 2023
#13
Hey, Dru. The cuffs you show are are made by S&W (Smith & Wesson) and were sold in the 1950s. They didnt technically have a model number assigned to them, from the factory. But, since they closely resemble the llater versions of the S&W Model 90, they are often referred to as an early model 90. The box that they were sold in, was only marked as "HANDCUFFS."ย  The factory gave the cuffs the model 90 moniker in 1958. On the model 90 cuffs, only the box was marked as being "Model 90.ย  The cuffs were not marked with their designated model number. 1979, when S&W introduced the new, Model 100 handcuff, they stamped the cuffs with the model number on the backside of one of the cuffs.

One note of interest is that this is the first model of handcuffs that S&W started making under their own company name. S&W Had been making handcuffs for The Peerless Handcuff Co. into the 1930s. Then S&W stopped handcuff production and focused on the military and war effort. In 1952, S&W produced their own line of cuffs. The early model 90 cuffs are just a little bit smaller in overall size, than the later model 90 cuffs.
-Richard Knip-

It looks to me as if your father was using your Uncle's handcuffs. This is considered a vintage cuff, but doesnt have a lot of value. To most collectors, the case also doesnt add to the value. A working early model 90 with a key can sell between $30 to $40. Though, they can often be found around $20 per set.
collector-of-all-things-old 04 Jun 2024
#14
Looking for someone honest and still has values too make a key for my bean prison handcuffs am a fair and honest man