Unknown Leg Irons

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Looks like a Kayser to me.

Cheers, Steve www.thedarkmaster.com

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Ron
Any relation to Mark?

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Thanks Steve for your input that they are Kaysers'.

No, I am not related to Mark. I got asked this quite a bit especially when I was living in San Jose where a lot of people knew him and his family. He did much better underwater tricks than I could ever do, and I can't swim.

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hi Ron,

I rather believe that these are old Clemen & Jung (Clejuso) Darby handcuffs. The long chain version of these cuffs. Typical are the 7 locking positions and the symmetric swivel.



Best regards,
Guenter aka Atame

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

I will have to agree with Guenter on this one. I vote for Clemen & Jung because of the swivel and the end of the movable bow. The tip of the movable bow is identical to the Clemen & Jung bows, where the Kayser ends are more rounded.
First picture is Clejuso adjustable.
Next picture is Clejuso adjustable with long chain and swivel.
3rd picture is Kayser adjustable. Note rounded ends on movable bow. Also note the bow on the Kayser is shorter and has fewer notches for size adjustment.
Stan

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

I forgot to add that the shape of the curve of the bow is different between Clejuso and Kayser.
Stan

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Thanks for the info.

My bad...

Steve Santini

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Thanks everyone for the info. The set I have matches the one Stan posted (the second picture). The key and the seven locking positions matches the info Guenter posted.

Were these made in the late 1800's or early 1900's?

ron

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

I think they were manufactured much later, like WWII era. I can't tell from the Clejuso catalog or web site information when they started making cuffs. Maybe Guenter or Michael Busch have more info.
Stan

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

It's hard to tell finicky details from the photo. The manufacturing process and general patterns could remain surprizingly stable over the whole mid 19C - 20C range. Judging from the details visible on the pix, the major components are probably drop forged. That technology was available from about the mid 19C. Darbies didn't go out of production until after WW-II, and indeed Hyatt still makes them, albeit in cast zinc.

This is one of those products that is hard to date precisely, unless there are some style variations that have been documented. I yield to my elders and betters on that point.

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Clejuso made darbies and adjustable darbies into the late 1960's, and possibly even after that.
Stan

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hi,

unfortunately I do not know for sure, how old Ron's Darby (and mien from the picture) is. But I guess 1920s to 1940s, while I think that Stan's from the first picture is made in the 1950s.

Maybe Michael has better information.

Best regards,
Guenter

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hello everybody,

unluckily I also do not have any valid information about the manufacturing dates of the cuffs in question, but think that your guess, Guenter, regarding Ron's cuff and also the first cuff shown by Stan is quite good.

Surely Clejuso made swing-through cuffs and darbys at the same time for a while, please note the clevis that connect the swivel with the moveable bow in Stan's first picture. It is the same that was used on the old oval shaped Clejuso 12D swing-through cuffs.

Best wishes,

Michael

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hello,

Responding to an enquiry of mine, Clejuso stated the 12D, both Clejuso's first original design and its first swing through model, was introduced in 1947.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hi Jack,

but that does not mean that they stopped making Darby handcuffs. I have an article (in German language) on my site (http://www.atame.info/HI_Fesselwerkzeuge.htm) which is taken from the magazine "Polizei Praxis" (Nr. 13/14)", July 1950. Both types of handcuffs are listed here (and all pictures were provided by Clemen & Jung.

AFAIK Clemen & Jung produced Darby handcuffs until the early 1960s for primary export purpose.

Best regards,
Guenter

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Great info. Thanks Jack.
I found a 1975 price list that still showed the 12D and 12N cuff, the Nr. 8 adjustable darby Leg iron, and the Nr. 14 with 5 adjustable darby cuffs on a chain. They no longer showed the Nr. 7 adjustable darby handcuff for 2 hands.
Stan

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

This is really amazing and goes to show tha amount of information that is not known about the cuffs we collect. I have always been interested in the history of the items I collect. The hobby really owes credit to those collectors who gather this information and publish a book or newsletter saving all this knowledge (or lack there of) for those collectors present and future.

Ron

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Dear Stan and Günter,

They still show a pair. It is in the photograph on the home page of their Web site, just above the snub-nose revolver.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

I have been trying to determine the make of these legirons. There are no markings on the cuffs or the key. I think they are early Clejuso or Kayser. The end of the lock housing is flat with a plain plug. Note the center swivel and the attach points of the chain to the cuff.

Any Ideas??? Thanks,

Hi Jack,

indeed! And this is a very interesting version, which I have not seen anywhere else so far. Just have a look at the cylinders. They do not have the typical overlapping cap. They are straight like the ones from the old Clejuso Darby leg irons on the attached pictures.

Best regards,
Guenter