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SHEN YANG CUFFS

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DennisWeb 29 Dec 2006
#1
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

Steve Santini 29 Dec 2006
#2
Brass was also very important to the War effort.

Bullet and shell casings pop to mind instantly.

And there were millions of these made in brass so we know it was very much used in the War.

So, maybe conservation of materials during war time is not the answer...

Steve Santini www.thedarkmaster.com
Anonymous 29 Dec 2006
#3
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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The importance of brass during World War II positively eclpised that of steel, to the extent that there is no comparison. For two years in the US, pennies were made of steel rather than brass. Had there been a scarcity of steel, the mint would have stopped making pennies. A more probable explanation is that brass is a far easier metal to machine than steel is, resulting in faster, easier and probably more economical production.
Mark Lyons 29 Dec 2006
#4
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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Hi

Of the 25 or so different Chinese handcuffs that I have, the vast majority of them are made almost entirely out of brass.
It is hard to say with any certainty exactly why that is, but the best rule of thumb is: Make it out of what you have plenty of. This is one of the reasons why Eskimo's don't live in log cabins.
I have written my entry for the 2007 annual about Chinese cuffs and many of the cuffs in my collection will be featured. I will do more research on brass and steel production in China around the Northern Provinces, where most of these cuffs seem to be imported from. If I can find any statistics on this subject I will try to include in in the article.
I believe these cuffs were made after the war, probably in the early 50's up until very recently, when steel took over as the preferred material.

Joe, Any guesstimates on a release date?

mark
O--O
Mark Lyons 30 Dec 2006
#5
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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I have done some research on Shen Yang and am not any closer in my quest to find out why the cuffs from the region are predominately made of brass.
The neighboring city of Anshan is known as the "Iron and Steel City" and nearby Lioyang is the "Coal and Iron City".
Shen Yang is a leading educational and manufacturing area in the country so it is possible that steel cuffs were cheap and easy to make but just simply not favored as much as the brass versions. I was thinking that perhaps plating the steel ones was too expensive or not done easily and that rust was one of the significant problems.

I will still continue.

mark

O--O
Katie_flowergirl 07 Jan 2007
#6
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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Hello - I'm the ebay seller of those cuffs. I get them from a few different guys in China. None of them know why they're brass either. I asked.
Dennisweb 08 Jan 2007
#7
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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Hi Katie,
I love the cuffs & thumbcuffs.
Can I ask what it is you do that sends you to china?
Do you have any problems bringing cuffs out of the country?
Dennisweb
Key-Biz 08 Jan 2007
#8
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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Didn't the US govt leave a lot of ammo
brass behind back in N Korea 1950-53?
The makers of these cuffs probably
used what was available to them.
just a thought..
Edgeplay_Cgo 08 Jan 2007
#9
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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The biggest two reasons items are made from brass or bronze, are corrosion resistance and ease of machining. Brass and bronze are also relatively easy metals to produce, being well, Bronze Age technology. Depending on the period, that may have been significant. Remember the phase when China was unsuccessfully playing around with the idea of backyard scale steel smelters, as part of Mao's modernization campaign? The Chinese have been smelting brass and bronze for millenia.

It's possible the cuffs were made from brass to revent them from rusting, but I believe that to be unlikely. Rust isn't that much of a problem, if you own an oily rag.

But brass is much easier to machine than steel, particularly the harder steels. It also can be cast, reproducing mold detail with a high degree of precision. The casting operation can literally be done with backyard technology and some skill. There are amateurs in the US who do backyard casting. The side plates and bows of handcuffs are complex shapes. It is very possible those parts were cast, and then machined to add detail like rivet holes and ratchet pawls. This both saves machining time, which was precious, and saves basic raw material. Casting is pretty economical of metal, and all the scrap is directly recyclable on site.

With modern steel technology, which China now has coming out their nose, and modern machine tools, which they also have plenty of, the material costs of working in steel make steel fabrication less expensive than brass. Finally steel's engineering properties are superior to brass for this application.
Mark Lyons 08 Jan 2007
#10
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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Dennis,
There has to be something else.
Brass is definitely easier to work with, but why only in China?
Germany, France and other European Nations along with the U.S. never really produced much in the way of brass handcuffs. One would think that their cuff production would have started out pretty much the same way. First with soft metals and work their way up to the finest cobalt steel.
Maybe it was as simple as they first made it out of brass and just plain liked it.

mark
O--O
Edgeplay_Cgo 09 Jan 2007
#11
Hello everyone,
I bought a pair of Chinese Shen Yang cuffs
On Ebay “brass cuffs” I couldn’t resist
Now IÂ’m trying to find information about them
1-the year they were produced.
2-why were they made in brass

My guess is they were produced during WWII
when steel was allocated to the war effort.

Am I close?
DennisWeb

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>> Brass is definitely easier to work with, but why only in China

It may have to do with their path of industrial development.

In the US/Europe, cuff manufacture grew up in the C18 - C20, about the time that modern industry as we know it grew out of blacksmithing. The predominant cuff style, the Darby, was well suited to blacksmith production, as witnessed by the skads of them coming out of India. The more modern cuffs, like Towers and the later Peerless Pattern, required modern manufacturing techniques.

Those techniques were late in coming to China, particularly a modern steel industry. Remember the phase, under Mao, when they tried building thousands of backyard steel smelters? The project failed. But China has been founding in Bronze and Brass for millenia. They understood the process well. Moreover, it was suited to small scale production.

Their machine tool industry likewise lagged behind ours, and is only now coming into its own.

Making the Shen Yang cuffs from steel would require sophisticated modern machining techniques to create the complex shaped sideplates and bows. Peerless themselves couldn't handle it at first and subbed their production out to S&W. It would also consume steel which would have been expensive.

But the complex sideplate and bow shapes are relatively easy to cast in brass. The parts would then be second processed to add holes, ratchet teeth, etc. Again, this is a level of technology that could be set up in my garage. It is conservative of sophisticated machine tools, which would have been extremely expensive in that period.

As a bonus, casting - machining creates less scrap and that is immediately recyclable on site.

I think there were restraints made of materials other than brass. Many were wood-metal hybrids. I seem to remember the Chinese retaining the use of stocks into the C20. I remember seeing photos of Chinese prisoners confined in stocks and a gizmo called a Ciang (however you spell it). It was basically a wooden wheel stock fastened around the head and wrists. The prisoner was unable to feed himself and required outside assistance to survive.
The iron parts would have been simple blacksmith work; staples and hasps. When the wood deteriorated, the iron bits would be unlikely to be indistinguishable from gate hardware.

That's all my best guess, anyway. I may be completely wrong.

>> Maybe it was as simple as they first made it out of brass and just plain liked it.

There is probably a lot of truth to that. We are all creatures of habit. And I'm sure the Chinese hype industry is in no way inferior to our own.

"No no! You don't want to switch to steel cuffs. They rust horribly." [While muttering under his breath] "Besides, I can't manufacture steel ones in my shop."