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Margarette 08 Feb 2007
#1
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
monica 08 Feb 2007
#2
It depends on what type of collection you want; one that satisfies you or one that satisfies the market. Collecting because you want it or because of it's value? In our case, the one's we desire are, coincidentally, held in high regard by the market, but if they suddenly and inexplicably lost their value, we wouldn't be bothered a bit.

No expert here, but we've done our share of deals. I think the days of "finds" are over. There are so many collectors now - people who understand the factors of condition, scarcity and value. With ebay, it's public, so anyone w/ a connection can be your competition. You can still get common, mass production modern-day police cuffs for under $50, but, you don't need ebay for that. Of course, you probably already know all this, Margarette.
TCCason 08 Feb 2007
#3
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
You might want to start by focusing your collecting on a specific brand, type, or time period.

Approaching it this way gives you a target, when you are looking at cuffs you are subconsciously focusing your attention on finding that certain odd piece that would best fit into 'your' collection within your spending limits. And you tend to learn more about the area you are concentrating on.

Personally, my collection started as an offshoot of my interest in Smith & Wesson firearms and collectibles.

I've assembled a modest collection of S&W handcuffs without spending a fortune. I have some very nice pieces and of course there are a few items that I would like to add, but haven't because of my budget (at least not yet).

By staying within my focus the sum of my collection is, at least to me, more than just a bunch of handcuffs.
Edgeplay_Cgo 08 Feb 2007
#4
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
It depends a lot on what you want to collect. Old, historically significant stuff, is expensive. There's only so much of it out there.

Contemporary stuff, like S&W, Peerless, American, etc., is still out there and fetches lower prices. And you can get new stuff. Even the older oddities are more reasonable, particularly of you can stretch your budget to seventy five or a hundred bucks.

Another alternative is to open a savings account dedicated to your collection. Then, when the "must have" item comes by, you can grab it. Just don't use that money for trivial stuff, like food.

Meanwhile, learn as much as you can about your passion, so you know exactly what it is you want to buy. Oh, and be prepared for disappointments. It's part of the dues.


-Dennis
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Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx
grenchat 09 Feb 2007
#5
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
I’ve been a collector of vintage and antique metallic goods since childhood. Some of the many things that I’ve collected include: vintage vending/amusement machines; cast iron mechanical banks; metallic balance sculptures; antique cutlery; locks and, of course, handcuffs.

Since my obsession with fine metallic goods has always greatly exceeded my income, I’ve learned to keep most of my highly cherished items safely packed away and generally inaccessible. Once in a blue moon or on a special occasion, I’ll randomly remove a box from storage and feel as if I’d been reunited with a long lost friend. By contrast, some of my most coveted vending machines – being too large to pack away – were for years prominently displayed in my den. My guests would ogle them when they visited, but in time, I actually grew blind to their presence, even at times feeling burdened by having to clean and polish their surfaces. Nothing can diminish the desirability of a rare antique like being exposed to it on a daily basis. Likewise, the most desirable pair of handcuffs are often the ones that you cannot get your hands on, or in, as the case may be.

My obsession with collectables reached its peak in the early 80’s. By then, I’d become acquainted with other antique collectors, and would carpool to distant antique shows/flea markets, etc. on a regular basis. We learned that the best deals could be had in remote, rural areas, and having a few friends to share traveling expenses meant having more money to shop.

Haggling sure beats bidding from a buyer’s perspective. An old miser taught me the merit of hitting outdoor antique shows on overcast days, when attendance was usually very low. The vendors, having already reserved a table, cannot obtain a refund unless it is raining at opening time. I would survey the tables, making a mental note of what I wanted to haggle on. As soon as I felt the first raindrop, I’d make my offers for any items of interest. You’d be surprised at how much less they would accept when faced with the prospect of having to pack up their antiques and leave early. As much as I enjoy e-commerce, I sure do miss the good old days of outright haggling for goods.

Since new collectors and venues such as e-Bay have greatly increased the selling price of vintage cuffs, you might try striking up a deal with one of the collectors who has duplicates in his or her collection. I know that many handcuff collectors are disinterested in examples with non-factory stampings, more than 10% plating, loss, etc., so you might have more success if you don’t mind some blemished, fully functioning examples.

Happy hunting…

Jason





Paul Reardon 09 Feb 2007
#6
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
Hi Margarette,

No expert here, just wanted to chime in.

Typically, for me, the stranger looking the cuff, the more appealing it is to collect. If I were advising a new collector, it would be to obtain a range of different looking types of cuffs. Without getting too specific, between DHW and Cuffsland, you can pick up several dozen out-of-the-ordinary cuffs in the $50-$100 range. I wouldn't (and I don't) exclude the Pakistan repros either. If you are enjoying the hobby, who cares if the collection emerges a bit "uneven?"

Happy Hunting, Paul






TCCason 10 Feb 2007
#7
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
"Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty."


Most of my pieces were less than $50. My last two purchases were less then $35 each.

One was a 'first version' S&W Model 90 I bought for my sister. You can read about that one in my thread Today, I was the teacher.

The other (which I should receive any day now) is a "PAT'S PENDING" S&W Model 103 stainless. Not all that exceptional by itself, but I plan to display it with my "PAT'S PENDING" M-104 and a "PAT'S PENDING" M-100. Together they make a set.

These cuffs may not be that interesting to some of the more dedicated connoisseurs, in my limited niche they both have significance.

So the short answer is yes, you can create a collection within limited boudaries in which each piece is relevant to the group, and do it on a tight budget.
kuffs 10 Feb 2007
#8
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
Margarette,

You might consider some of the French and German cuffs for your collection.
The Clejuso series cuffs can be found in the $50 range and the Deutsche Polizei or German Police models are often sold at $100. The Padlocking cuffs are also easy to find and can added to your collection for well under $50. A.W. Naht cuffs and the aluminum East German cuffs are both plentiful and inexpensive. The French La Pegy and Massenotte cuffs are also easy to obtain while working within a budget.
Guenter and Petra of Cuffsland often stock these cuffs or will be happy to find them for you if you can't get them in your travels or on eBay. Check with Mark and Sheila too as they frequently come across these cuffs.
Another nice slightly older leg iron that can be found mint in the box is the Harvard. They were used in WWII under a Navy Contract and truck loads of them were discovered a few years ago. I paid $39 for my pair. Towers, Bean Cobbs, and H&R Supers are also possible to obtain with a nice crisp Franklin.

Good luck, Happy hunting, and please let me know if you need any help. I will keep my eyes open for you.

mark
"Kuffs"
O--O
Anamika 25 Apr 2007
#9
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
Dang I cannot find my keys!
any idea how I can get keys or how I can unlock it???
help
joe tanner 25 Apr 2007
#10
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
MARGARETTE: and others :: wheather money is the issue or not & i am no expert, you 1st need to ask yourself 2 things.........

1.. am i wanting to collect restraints simply just for a hobby ?????
2.. am i wanting to collect restraints for a hobby as well as an investment ?????

IF simply for a hobby, then I would just buy the modern made crummy restraints to display etc etc.....

IF for a hobby and as an investment, i would TRY to buy just some & again i say just some modern restraints..... i would buy the NEW factory issued model restraints as soon as they cuff out so that i would have it, but more so LOW serial numbered item & maybe that model won't take & would be discontinued quickly so to speak... if that happens, then you will have the cuff & it will be worth considerable more...............................
i would NOT buy any of the PAKISTAN made items at all as each item they will be made for YEARS...... i would buy items that IAN MCCOLL of AUSTRALIA makes as his items will be made in far LESS numbers....... i would save up some money to be able to occaissionly buy an old NON modern collectiable restraint when the opportunity came along...... 20 years from now, you will want to be able to say that you have a nice rounded collection, and that it has appreciated in value nicely along the way... you will be able to say that my collection is a good one & not just tonage.... tonage by the way is having 3, 4, 5 or more of the SAME item... alot of items, but not much varity..... hope this info helps you.... now i suppose i will catch heck for my views on this too.. oh well - no biggey.... good luck on your collecting...... joe


Anonymous 25 Apr 2007
#11
I've been debating as to whether or not to make this post for quite a while. Finally, I decided to go with my philosophy of "the only stupid question is the one not asked." I also figured this was the place to ask! Most of you that know me know that when we meet at conventions, I'm often seen drooling over items in various collections. I know that handcuff collecting is a rather expensive hobby. Is it possible to collect handcuffs with limited resources? I'm not talking a couple hundred dollars for a pair of handcuffs, I'm talking about less than fifty. My resources are extremely limited, but I would like to be able to do more than just be extremely envious of you who do have these wonderful collections. Maybe one day after kids are grown and gone, but before they come back, I'll be able to spend more money on cuffs.

Margarette
H/HJT, You should save up your money and buy Hooked on Phonics.