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michael griffin 29 May 2007
#1
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








Anonymous 30 May 2007
#2
why is there a Rust stain on one of the Bean Giants is there two sides or three sides that are being shown. also what is the Reserve on the Bean Giants. and will they be relisted a fourth time. i for one wont be re-bidding again on these because they keep getting relisted.
Joe Lauher 30 May 2007
#3
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Michael

The FWSM cuffs are somewhat special for the collector. First, although we know they are British, no one knows anything about the company. No one knows when or where the cuffs were manufactured. They do appear to be older than most Darby cuffs and were likely manufactured in the early to mid 19th century.

Although the cuffs are strong and well made, they were not made with the care that most other companies used. Most notably the links on each cuff to the swivel are placed at rather random locations, seldom centered. And like the pair you are selling the two cuffs often do not match.

As a matter of fact although we all call the company Fitzwilliam and Son (or Sons?) Manufacturing, I don't know of any real evidence that this is the actual name. Although I have no proposal for an alternative. I have one cuff that is clearly marked FWS and not FWSM, so if the M stands for Manufacturing, then perhaps it was a later addition.

So your cuff will be an interesting addition to anyone's collection. Good luck with your auctions.

Joe

P.S. If anyone has any real information about FWSM I would really appreciate learning what you know.

P.P.S. The Bean Giant is nice as well. If I had not just paid a huge amount for one just about a month ago, I would be bidding.
Anonymous 30 May 2007
#4
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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to anonymous:
no rust stains, the cuff is so shiney that what you see is my reflection
i adjust lighting to try to get better photos Please post with your name

Joe: I was always under the impression that it was fitzwilliama and sons
with the histories involved over there its probable that the names changed every few years or so with mergers or partnerships
i agree with the construction issue, i dont think i have 2 pairs of fwsms that are exactly alike in fact i have one where the bows are bent
Edgeplay_Cgo 31 May 2007
#5
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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It is quite difficult to get photos of bright plated objects that do not pick up some color from the background or the lighting technique.

Anonymous 02 Jun 2007
#6
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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i'm interested in a few items on ebay. and would like to know two things. 1 being the reserve price on the handcuffs. 2 what cuffs have keys and which ones don't i already asked the seller this thru ebay and have not yet received a reply on either question. just trying to find out the information that i need to know for bidding purposes.
michael griffin 02 Jun 2007
#7
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Hi:
Forgive me for not giving out the reserves, they are private for a reason. I have given out the reserves after auctions to some folks who made offers if the item didnt sell

Im sorry I am not sure i have seen emails asking for keys

Im not looking at the items right now
which ones did you mean?
Michael
Anonymousini 02 Jun 2007
#8
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Mr. Griffin:
How about putting on every listing if a original key or other key is included, rather than being evasive about it. By setting a high reserve and the item not selling on ebay, you save the ebay selling fees if you then sell it off ebay.
michael griffin 02 Jun 2007
#9
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Due to the large number of restraints being listed some keys are being found after the listing and I try to include them, sometimes i include other little surprises ie: orig boxes, etc heck one collector I even sent some cuffs as a gift without warning
Its a fun thing really

Oh, did I forget to mention that on the cuffs Im sure they have "FACTORY ORIGINAL" chains
yes, mr anonymous even the bean giant was made by a guy who ate factory original beans
Don 02 Jun 2007
#10
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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i for one have also Bid and i do Agree. i would like to know if there is a key. and are the cuffs in working order or not or is the lock frozen shut.
micahel griffin 03 Jun 2007
#11
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Hi Don;
which cuff are you talking about, rankin? bean giants?
let me know
all the cuffs are working perfectly, buttons on bean are perfect and strong
hope this helps
if not just yell
best
michael
Brad Darling 03 Jun 2007
#12
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Michael,

I can't find your email address I can't get through here.

Please contact me. [email protected]

Thanks,
Brad
Don 03 Jun 2007
#13
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Mike i'm interested in the Ivers Johnson cuffs. and the tower detectives that are gone. and the Towers single Lock. i also do need a key or two. i am also looking for a set of Saf-Loks i see a set is up for bid on ebay but i won't bid on them for certain reasons. if you want feel free to email me here and I Thank You for your time.
Anonymous 03 Jun 2007
#14
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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Griffin is queer.
Anonymous 03 Jun 2007
#15
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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like we didn't know that.
micahel griffin 03 Jun 2007
#16
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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You people are a bunch of suckers!
Anonymous 31 Oct 2007
#17
Mike i'm interested in the Ivers Johnson cuffs. and the tower detectives that are gone. and the Towers single Lock. i also do need a key or two. i am also looking for a set of Saf-Loks i see a set is up for bid on ebay but i won't bid on them for certain reasons. if you want feel free to email me here and I Thank You for your time.
Anyone know the Value of the Fitz Willams Handcuffs how does one identify it i think i might of got one off Ebay.
Anonymous 31 Oct 2007
#18
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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don't buy anything from griffin. "my camera broke", "my computer is down", "i'm not a very good photographer", "yes i believe it is original from factory", "not sure if there's a key", etc., etc., etc. his deceptions are intentional and for covering his ass when the goods arrive at your door missing something or in lesser condition than stated. don't buy from griffin!
michael griffin 31 Oct 2007
#19
Hi all:
I have had a few inquiries regarding the bean giant I have listed twice before and not sold.
Due to the wording of the ad several collectors thought the bean giant was either a fake used for magic, or gimmicked to ease escape or something else.
I want to clarify for all fellow collectors the cuffs have never been tampered with. They are in 100% proper working order with both buttons and locks working perfectly and strong. The cuffs come with a "reach key" which is what the magician Ernest Williams of Lynn, Mass used to effect his escape.

The item comes along with some provenence showing Ernest posing with the same cuffs.

I am also listing some more goodies in an effort to lighten my collection as shown below please note the fwsm as it is unusual
Please be sure to visit the ebay listings
thank you








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annonymous
i have used my cell phone because computer down
i am not sure if key is with some cuffs and ohters i am
i have moved due to seperation and makes getting things sometimes a bit late
you still dont have the balls to show your face, i do show my face.
so please man up or get the f out of here
you come across as some lonely sad piece just protected by the computer
f off