Worth a look, but not for the cuffs

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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For security purposes? 2 of the cuffs have safety releases. They are toys.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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ihave a set of these, that were given to me , the latch that looks like a safty release is the double locking system, move it down their double locked up their not, but they are so cheap that if you move it slightly upward it comes off double lock and on the back in small letters is printed taiwan,you can also move it if their locked or not a real piece of junk good for bonage party's only

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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No, LK, they are most definitely toys. Look at the "other latch" on the side of the cuffs. Those are safety releases, which means they are toys. The switches on the face are, indeed, double locks, but can be turned on or off by the "prisoner." The cuffs are toy junk, as cheaply made and priced as anything out there. No security value whatsoever.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Uncle Clem and Sparkplug....I wonder if Barney Google is anywhere nearby? it was worth looking at the auction just to read the write up! I needed a good chuckle today!

Margarette

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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So what's wrong with these cuffs? I work in a store as a security guard and I use these all the time on shoplifters. I like the fact that the keyhole is big along with the key. I also like the double lock lever, it's easy to use. Best of all, they only cost me $10 at the martial arts store near me. I haven't had a bad guy escape from these yet. Sometimes the cops don't like the fact that my key isn't the same as theirs but what the heck, they still work good.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Maybe you will notice the difference when you try out some handcuffs of a higher quality, like Hiatts Speedcuffs, hinged S&W's or Deutsche Polizei for instance.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I miss that one auction where the guy offered to come to where you are and beat you up. four paragraphs of fun! My favorite line - "You are not allowed to hit me back, afteral its your ass thats getting kicked not mine." Or"I might slap yourt kids around if I'm feeling genrous."
Sadly, ebay eliminated the joke auctions sometime after and it disappeared.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I don't need to try out other handcuffs when the pair I have work just fine. There is no reason to get the more expensive pairs when these work just fine as the rest. Why pay more?

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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You get what you pay for!
Want to spend 2 bucks?...you get 2 bucks worth or security.
Spend 30 bucks....you get a restrained subject!
That's the way it is and there are no more reasons to keep on discussing it.

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Mr. Security or whoever you are, I'm calling your bluff. I think you posted to get poeple's attention knowing full well that those cuffs are a joke, especially for actually duty use. In the event you are serious, either way, you still are a fool... In my early teens, I could take the same cuffs you think are so secure, and the ones we had way back then didn't have the safety release. I could break the chain links behind my back and pick open the locks with a paper clip. Even if I don't get the cuffs off of me, with the links broken, you just gave me a weapon to use against you. So go crawl back to the hole you came out of and leave us alone.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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anonimous i see the release u were talking about now ,mine don't have that, they look the same other then the word "STOP" on mine is upside down and mine has serial number on one bow,can't beleave someone made a knockoff of a piece of junk

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Mr. Security or whoever you are, I'm calling your bluff.

I wouldn't touch them, but a renta cop's security needs, and particularly his percieved security needs are different from the real world. The guy who's going to break the cuffs isn't going to get the cuffs put on him, anyway.

There's no way a renta cop is going to put me in physical restraint. One of us will die first, and I'd not be planning on it being me. The only authority he has is that of citizen's arrest. I'll hang around until the cops arrive, because I'll want the police report for the lawsuit, but don't you lay a hand on me, or I'll consider it kidnapping, and that is justification for a Deadly Force defense. You can make a citizen's arrest. You can't lead me off anywhere.

But this is all OT.

I don't even recommend them as party cuffs, although I sell them. At a 400% markup, why not? If you're in the right place at the right time, you can get them wholesale for around a buck a pair. Twice that on any steetcorner. But I'd rather put someone in a cheap pair of Korean duty cuffs or the industry standard S&W, Hiatts, or Peerless. They're safer for everyone concerned. Put those crapolas on me, and they jam, and my next phonecall will be to my lawyer, and then to the physician he sends me to. And I'll probably win.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I don't understand all the cheap shots on this site. You people aren't very nice. I don't have to crawl back into any hole, I have a right to post just as you. I simply made an honest statement that these cuffs work fine for me. I've had several shoplifters in these cuffs and they have not escaped. One guy even kept trying to get out & could not. I'm just saying if they work, why pay more? I have a limited income to begin with. And to Dennis, you are very rude calling me a rent a cop. You probably don't know what you're talking about to begin with! I'll tell you one thing Mr., if you come into my store and try shoplifting, you will be wearing my cuffs. Just try to sue me, I'll give you the 1-800 number to the TV lawyer. If you just come in to shop like an honest person, nothing will happen and it's not worth arguing over this. Please people, I did nothing wrong towards you by commenting on my handcuffs. Isn't this what this site is for?

Respectfully,
Mr. Security

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Mr. Security,

Perhaps there is only one thing that we as a whole are knowledgeable about and that is the history and use of handcuffs.

We have lots or collectors, cops, security professionals, and manufacturers of handcuffs that write, read, and share their expertise on the subject.

When you are told that your cuffs are not adequate to restrain a prisoner, YOU CAN BANK ON IT! You may say that no one has broken out of your cuffs YET (and you did say just that). I think you have been very fortunate up to this point. The next guy you hook up may be dangerous and with a disastrous outcome.

You are using TOY handcuffs in a very real job. You may even want to consider your personal liability. If I found out that a dangerous shoplifter jumped out of a pair of your toy cuffs that you detained him with and he injured me or someone in my family, I would probably sue you for all your worth....and then some, if I could prove that you were at this site and got proper instructions on the use of restraints.

It is not the intent of the people here to be mean, but whether you wish to admit it or not, you are acting irresponsibly on your job by using these toy cuffs and the experts here are advising you to do the proper thing and get a real pair of cuffs. Your life and the people you are protecting demand it. Even if a pair of cuffs were $100, it would be worth it. You can get a used pair of NIJ cuffs for $20 so there is no excuse. If this is even too much money for you to part with, I would speak to your supervisor and ask them to provide the cuffs to you. They will be as likely to get sued as you or even more since they are the deep pockets and are the ones to have hired and instructed you. If they still won't help you out, you should consider changing jobs or professions.

You really do not have a leg to stand on defending yourself in the matter.
Right is right and I hope you heed the warnings. Your good luck with the toys is about to run out at any time now.

mark
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This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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And to Dennis, you are very rude calling me a rent a cop.

I've worked as a so-called security officer several times over the years. They ain't officers of any sort. No real officer considers them so. I've also dealt with the security industry as a consumer of security services. I know renta cops. I've hirted renta cops. I've been a renta cop. They ain't cops, despite the fools who think they are. I'm not calling you a fool, BTW, but I suspect you've known so called security officers who fit that description.

I'll tell you one thing Mr., if you come into my store and try shoplifting, you will be wearing my cuffs.

First of all, I don't shoplift. But if someone tries to restrain me, he had better be ready for a serious reply. The last guy got tossed through the glass of the jewelry cabinet, and then got his nose broken. I didn't have the presence of mind to launch a lawsuit, however. My bad.

Back to the cuffs, the crapola cuffs are prone to jamming. They tend to have sharp edges and narrow stampings. The chains are weak, as are the rivets and locking mechanism. BTW, I suspect the new Hiatt 2222s will have many of the same problems, and will not be around for long.

Nerve damage and tendon damage is very easy to cause and very difficult to disprove. It is even easier to cause with a pair of cuffs that are jammed due to a malfunction, or that a trained officer can't get off your victim with his standard key.

The problem of a perp escaping has also been discussed.

In the event of any incident, justified or not, I would be suing the store and suing you personally. The store will settle, leaving you hanging out in the wind with no job and no defense. By endangering me with bad equipment, you just made my lawyer's job that much easier. Nothing personal, just business. Renta cops are expendable. Again, no offense. I've been expendable in several jobs, some of them far more responsible than yours.

Where did you get your handcuff training? When was the last time you trained? They are not toys, despite the fact that they are toy cuffs. They may be useful for intimidating children, but you are putting yourself and others in danger by pretending to do what you are not qualified to do.

I did nothing wrong towards you by commenting on my handcuffs. Isn't this what this site is for?

No, you didn't and yes it is. But when someone is talking about doing dangerous stuff through ignorance - stuff that can get them and others hurt, blunt talk can be the kindest way to deal with it.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Boys, Mr. Security is yanking your chains.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I can't believe you people! I am new to this site and made an honest post regarding the kind of handcuffs I carry. I am a real Security Officer (not rent a cop). I know I'm not a cop but if someone steels from my store, I have a duty to act, that's what I'm paid for. I've never had a cop complain about my handcuffs other than their key isn't the same. I've cuffed some pretty big dudes (not by myself, with the help of the store manager). I've had people fight, try to pull and get out of my cuffs, and had people threaten to sue me every time. I've yet to be sued, I've yet to have my cuffs jam or fail, and I've yet to be fired by my store for mis-conduct. For the $10 I paid for these "toy cuffs", they work fine for what I do. Maybe people here are "handcuff snobs". Meaning that you look down on anyone using something other than a smith and wesson. The other officer I work with carries a black pair of HCW (I think that's what is stamped on them), they work good for him. I invite anyone to come into my store and shoplift. When you're going to jail wearing my "toy cuffs", you'll regret your words. I'm not trying to cause a fight here but please understand these cuffs aren't that bad and they work good for me (and have for a long time now).

Regards,
Mr. Security

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I can't believe you people! I am new to this site and made an honest post regarding the kind of handcuffs I carry.

And you got honest advice. Take it or leave it. If you've been lucky, then go ahead and keep pushing your luck. Real cops get successfully sued for abusing people with handcuffs. They have a gummint agency to protect them. You don't. None of us here will ever know whether you harm someone, are arrested for assault, or win the lottery and buy the store.

I am a real Security Officer

What government agency issued your Commission? Mine was issued as an Act of Congress, some thirty years ago.

Real officers get somewhat stroppy when someone pretends to be something they are not. Private security people are not officers, whatever it says on the badge. And they have no more authority to arrest than does your sainted grandmother.

You never answered my question. Who provided your training in the use of handcuffs, and when did you last train? There's more to being a security person than being issued a blue blazer.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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BTW I looked at the original box I had stored away. They said "Valor" handcuffs on the box but the cuffs themselved are marked "Stop" and "Taiwan". They also have no release bar on the side, you can't get out unless you have the key. They are made of metal and not plastic like those new handcuffs they have out in the Galls book. Maybe down the road I'll look into those Galls metal handcuffs they have for $15. They have a shorter chain length though but I think the key is the same as the cops use. For now, my Valor cuffs will suffice.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I read the back of the box and we (rent a cops) practice on each other. The back of the box has instructions on how to use them. If you were a security officer, Dennis, you should know we don't go to an acadamy like the cops. That's why I've always kept the box, to show I know how my cuffs work. Keep taking your cheap shots everyone. I don't make fun of the janitor at the store because he makes less money than me.

Respectfully,
Mr. Security

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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@Mr. Security: it was not my goal to be disrespectful to you. I just (like some others) wanted to warn you that your handcuffs are of very poor quality and often are referred to as partygags or toys. Feel free to do whatever you prefer with my advice. Being a fellow security officer in Holland I do respect you and the difficult job you are doing: always standing between wiseguys every policeforce seem to have (among lots of good willing cops) and 'hungry' crowds who usualy like to compare you with nothing more than sh*t (just read some comments on this forum to see what I mean).

@ Dennis: I presume there are a lot of differences between Law Enforcement in the US and in Europe but a citizen arrest is a 100% legal arrest in my opinion. If someone committed a crime (like shoplifting for instance) and is arrested by a security officer, he is not allowed to use violence in anyway. Resisting (a legal)arrest by punching and kicking around is not a case of legal self defence, mind you. In fact I have seen people go to jail for that.I do not understand why you, being a security officer yourself once, think about them and their difficult job the way you do. Reactions like yours however are not new to me and I also am aware that there are cops and other Law Enforcement officials who act as if citizens are there just to serve them instead the other way around. Oh well....

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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The ASP cuffs sold by Galls and others are not plastic. They are plastic coated steel, and are certified by the NIJ. Many of us don't think they are very good cuffs, but they are pretty comfortable, even compared to some better cuffs, and they are pretty strong. ASP claims they are the strongest cuff on the market, but I haven't seen them tested to destruction.

The Galls cuffs are pretty good. They are not NIJ certified, but IMO they are an acceptable duty cuff.

I read the back of the box and we (rent a cops) practice on each other. The back of the box has instructions on how to use them.

That is why security people using handcuffs scare me, and why you'll never get those cuffs on me. You people don't know what you don't know. And in a lawsuit, a lawyer will tear you apart. You don't realize how much danger you put yourself and other people in, for the pittance you're paid. Seriously, that's a job with really lousy return. There's nothing in that store worth risking your life for, for twelve bucks an hour. BTDT.

If you were a security officer, Dennis, you should know we don't go to an acadamy like the cops.

That's one reason you are not entitled to the term "officer." No one without a Commission is, regardless of their training. It is an honor that is earned, not put on with the suit. I know what it's like to make lousy money. It has nothing to do with the money.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Germanhandcuffs:
Thank you for the kind words. You are one of the few on this site who seem to be nice. I will take the advice but I can't do anything until my next paycheck. I called my co-worker who told me to go to this police uniform shop in my city and get a good pair. He said I can get those HCW cuffs he carries for around $15. If a police uniform store sells this brand it must be the same one cops use, and, I like the black color too. It's discreet under my clothes.

Dennis:

You don't employ me, my issued badge say's OFFICER! Until you come to grips with your personality issues with Security Guards/OFFICER'S, my conversation with you is over (respectfully). You do a lot of tough talking but I've cuffed alot of shoplifters and (to your surprise) I could get you handcuffed if I had to. No bodily harm or lawyer threat would stop me either, I get that from every person I hold for the police. And, yes, they ALL wear my cheap toy Valor cuffs.

Mr. Security

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As a Security Officer, I carry a pair of Peerless as well as the Civil Defence Company cuff as my backup pair.
For two decades I have made my living as a Security Officer - the government issued licence calls me that. I can't be certain of the number of people I have arrested in that time, but I assure you I have the right to do so.
I have lost count of the number of losers who were restrained to the holding bar in our cel who threatened to kill me, have my job, sue me or have me arrested.
None of the above threats have ever been tried.
I am not teflon covered, and know that if I exceed the limits I can pay the price.
The image presented by dennis is certainly one he is entitled to, but I dont let anyone who says "you can't arrest me you have no lawful authority" stop me from doing what I am paid to do.
I have been attacked by people with boards, knives, construction rebar - one guy tried to run me over with his car.
I have always left work under my own power (sometimes battered and bruised!), but have seen others off in the back of ambulances.
One of my favorite memories was attending a magic club meeting and talking with Dean Gunnarson - me with bruises from a non-compliant suspect and him with cuts and scrapes from a recent show.
My coworkers and I have managed something pretty remarkable, we have fostered a healthy relationship with the city police department. It didnt happen overnight, but the result is there. They appreciate our performance and admire our judgement in situations so that we rarely if ever waste their time. Our employers pay for lectures by law enforcement experts to help us become better at our work.
Province by province and state by state, there is a movement to regulate the Security industry to improve the performance and image and create a standard that, in my opinion, my coworkers and I have already met.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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@ Dennis: I presume there are a lot of differences between Law Enforcement in the US and in Europe but a citizen arrest is a 100% legal arrest in my opinion.

It is legal here, too. I didn't suggest otherwise. If it were, then many security blokes couldn’t do their jobs. But resisting citizen's arrest is not a crime. You have no right to assault me. If I don't want to go with you, you'll have to fight me, and if you endanger me, then I can use deadly force against you.

The store dick who ended up wrecking the jewelry display with his back, had grabbed me from behind, without previously announcing his presence. That was a potentially deadly assault. I don't know what he thought I was up to, and never bothered to find out. He was lucky. Instead of hammer fisting his nose, the move I had been trained to do was to chop the windpipe; a termination blow. That obviously would have been excessive. But you don't come up behind someone and attempt to restrain them with an arm around the neck. Presumably you and Mr. Security are smarter than that. Barney Fife obviously wasn't.

If you are polite and courteous, then we'll stand there and wait for the police to arrive. I'll even call them. I'll insist on calling them. I'll want their report and the 911 tape for the lawsuit.

Is your job worth that? Is your life?

Yes, I've worked as a so-called security officer, and have employed so-called SOs. It can be a tough, thankless job. Bottom of the ladder jobs usually are. I know what the mindset of some of them is, and it gets many of them into trouble. Generally we fired them at the first sign of a Rambo attitude. Well, the second sign. First they'd get a good counseling. But a guard who thinks he has the right and duty to be violent isn't safe to keep. Replacements are a dime a dozen.

A store security person has a tough job. They are required by their employer to make citizens arrests. Arresting a perp is a dangerous thing to do. Ask any real policeman. That's why the low-end staff do it. Because you're expendable. Get hurt, and there's plenty more who are qualified to do the job.

Screw up, make a false arrest, or improperly restrain someone, and it's your arse that's out on the wire.

I have a f(r)iend who was a store manager. He teed off the wrong people. His fault, your fault, nobody's fault. He's in a wheelchair, now. He'll die in a wheelchair. Is your job worth that? Is your life?

I also am aware that there are cops and other Law Enforcement officials who act as if citizens are there just to serve them instead the other way around. Oh well....

I'm not a cop, and don't have that attitude about cops vs citizens. They're the hired help. I certainly don’t believe that private security blokes have the right to lord it over citizens. And a security person is not a cop and certainly is not any kind of an officer, regardless of which cornflake box the badge came out of. Having delusions of status is a strategic mistake, liable to get one into trouble. Posing as something one isn't, earns one the derision of those who have earned the right to wear the insignia.

It's actually a dilemma for security people. They often give them a uniform that resembles a police uniform. Thy lie to them and tell them they are officers. This is because, by almost impersonating a policeman, they gain a psychological edge over their opponent. It makes their job easier, and frankly, they need every advantage they can beg borrow or steal, because they really have no rights that your Grandmother doesn’t. If they actually impersonate policemen, and some do, then they become criminals.

I've seen some agencies that arm so called SOs and put them out in vehicles that look like squad cars. Them I consider to be a menace to society. I have nothing against armed guard mounts, as sometimes you have to protect yourself, but again, some people have delusions about what they are there for. It doesn't make it any easier when your boss builds those delusions into the program.

Observe Detect Deter. And stay safe out there.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Oh Dear, I so did not mean to start such a fight here, I just saw something funny and wanted to share a good laugh.

I am not an expert on handcuffs as some of the collectors here are
I am not an expert in handcuffing as some of our law enforcement members are
I claim no expertise in much of anything in this situation.

But I will state the following.

I believe that John and Jane public are intimidated by handcuffs and being cuffed due to television and movies. How many TV shows can you think of (Usually comedy) in which two people are chained together and are stuck for an extended period of time or through an uncomfortable situation? Off the top of my head I can think of 7.(Two with Lucile Ball)

How many TV shows and movies can you think of (Other than escape artist shows) in which some gets out of handcuffs without the key? I can think of only two.

Because of this, people who are not familiar with them believe that if they are cuffed they are stuck. This may be why Mr. Security's cuffs work as well as they do.

To Mr. Security... I acknowledge that I have not seen your cuffs. From your description they sound like what the New York Police call "Toys" but how could I know? I will give you this thought. Early in my career as an escape artist, I was making pick up bets in college dorms. With my hands behind me, I could get out of those cuffs, even if they were too tight using a paper clip, part of a pen, a safety pin, a map pin, even a dissection kit probe, and I could do it is less than ten seconds (Both wrists). While I did not see this personally, the owner of my local magic shop sold a pair of these cuffs to someone who wanted to test their strength. That fellow allowed himself to be cuffed behind, and with small effort, tore the chain open.

I am not interested in insulting you or anyone else here. That isn't why I post. I would however hate to see you cuff someone, and then get sucker punched by who you believed was a helpless man. I do not speak from experience. I have never worked either law enforcement or security, but I do not cops who keep a close eye on their detainees even when cuffed. They don't trust the cuffs too much.

Be careful and good luck.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I don't know about all states and jurisdictions but I am acutely aware of the laws and rules in the greater Washington Metropolitan area. If you are hired by the store that you are protecting and they pay you directly, then you really don't need any training. However, the store is liable for anything you do and open to lawsuits in a heartbeat. If the store hires a security outfit and they pay you, then you have minimun training and certification depending whether you carry a gun or not. Some do have special police powers where they can arrest, detain, transport, and file charges depending on which jurisdiction one operates in. I happen to be a security professional and I deal with this everyday. As fellow security professional or just a citizen, I have the right to challenge them to see that they have there security licenses. I used plural because of the weapons and special police powers that some have. If they can't or won't produce the proper ID, I can make a phone call and they will be in a heap of trouble. If you don't have any professional training, I would suggest you get it not only for the liability issues but also one needs to know the laws and where the line in the sand is as far as your job goes.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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CLIFF i agree, i think most people beleave their stuck wants to cuffs go on, just like if u felt a gun mussle to ur head,or a laser beem to ur heart. BTW having examined these cuff futher i can see where someone could brake off the double lock lever and use it to pick the locks, how IRONIC IS THAT !! these cuff do have a different design from most in that they have holes along the top edge of the bows,and a spur type latch if thay were made with more quality and improvement thay might not be too bad, IAN here's ur chance to become a millionare (if ur not one already)
MR SECURITY there's apair of peerless black cuff's on ebay with a buy it now price of 24.99 check starting today.
ISN'T IT IRONIC

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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If you are hired by the store that you are protecting and they pay you directly, then you really don't need any training.

By law, correct. But the real world can interfere with that position.

If you don't have any professional training, I would suggest you get it not only for the liability issues but also one needs to know the laws and where the line in the sand is as far as your job goes.

Exactly. You need to KNOW what you are allowed to do, what you are not allowed to do, and how to perform your functions safely for both yourself and the public. Anbything less puts uou out in unprotected territory, and Murphy can really mess up your day.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Awwww, it ain't a fight. A real flame war can get naaaasty!

Because of this, people who are not familiar with them believe that if they are cuffed they are stuck. This may be why Mr. Security's cuffs work as well as they do.

That's a large part of it, I think. The psychological effect of the uniform, the cuffs, the whole action of being placed "under arrest" is significant. It takes the wind out of most people's sails. And it's reinforced by the fact that the person who is likely to break out of the cuffs is unlikely to get put into them in the first place. The normal punk is intimidated by them.

As far as picking is concerned, it's not much of an issue if the victim is under observation. It is pretty easy to prevent by simple active intervention. Breaking the chain or wrenching the stampings apart is a bit less preventable, and someone who is willing to do that is likely to be dangerous.

If they were the cheap Valor cuffs, as I believe Mr Security described, then they are toys as you stated. And not good toys, IMO. I believe them to be unsafe for a number of reasons.

They appear to sell a lot of them on eBay. There's a brisk trade in low end cuffs. They can sell for low prices because you can get them wholesale for a buck to two bucks a pair.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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MR SECURITY here's the #Item number: 330161004527
good luck

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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I agree that Security Officers should have been trained properly in things like Law knowledge, arresting techniques (with or without using handcuffs or other 'tools'), first aid, fire prevention and many other things, at all times. Aslo he should be well-equipped.

The word 'Officer',in my opinion, is not necessarily connected to the police, but is meant as 'employee'.

I disagree the fact that an SO should be a 'bottom-of-the-ladder-job'! The fact that well-trained security personell is needed anywhere (in my country SOs even work in prisons, army barracks and other Government-related objects) shows that public authorities failed in Law Enforcement , in a matter of speaking. I do not have the intention of risking my health or life for some salesman or his shopinventory. Any SO who feels that way, should not be doing this job for his own sake. A well-functioning SO uses his sence before he uses force in any opportunity, but when the situation forces him to use force, he will do so, just like any other Law Enforcement Official would do.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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"I do not have the intention of risking my health or life for some salesman or his shop inventory..."

Unless your job specifically states that you just call the police instead of intervening, then you are a coward and not worthy of the job nor the badge. You give the rest of us a bad name.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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It takes a coward do post such reactions anonymously, that's one thing.
But maybe I didn't make myself clear; I sure do intervent and arrest shoplifters and other scum, but I also keep in mind that I have to be carefull, as any SO should do.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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The word 'Officer',in my opinion, is not necessarily connected to the police, but is meant as 'employee'.

We're both getting out on the skinny end of the branch, arguing about what is meant. Pass me the saw.

I think it's more cynical than that. The word is chosen, along with the blue uniform and the toy badge, because the want the SO to think he's some sort of a junior policeman, and so the public is misled that he has police authority. It's skirting around impersonating an Officer. To be fair, it also gives the guard some advantage. Every psychological advantage you have, makes you safer.

I disagree the fact that an SO should be a 'bottom-of-the-ladder-job'

I never said "should be," and agree with your statement. But look at what they are paid. Look at how many are treated. Half the time we had to fight to not be used as bellboys and janitors. In-house security is a little better off in that respect, as the company needs to know why they have an SO before they actually hire them. But it's a crappy job, with crappy conditions, a worn out swivel chair, and all the coffee you can drink. It's usually not a position the company wants to spend a lot of money on.

As for prison security, nuke security, etc. Those are specialized, and are pretty much out of the scope of this argument. Some of them even are real Officers, or close enough as makes no difference.

I do not have the intention of risking my health or life for some salesman or his shopinventory.

Your mamma didn't raise no fools!

Yeah, when violence is thrust upon you, you react in a measured and appropriate way, whether that is backing off and calling the cops, or using your sidearm.

Unless your job specifically states that you just call the police instead of intervening, then you are a coward and not worthy of the job nor the badge

The toy badge is worth nine ninety five. It is a shiny ornmament on a cheap blue polyester shirt. It conveys no authority that your grandmother doesn't already have. No honor is imputed by wearing a toy badge. If, as a security guy, you believe that "Honor of the Badge" crap, then you've drunk too much of the Company KoolAid, and should get a different job - for your sake and that of others. In the case of a Police Officer, the badge or other insignia of office is a symbol of the State that he is sworn to protect. A real Commissioned Officer is a representative of the Magesty of State. The honor comes from serving the State and being an extension of The State. A rent a cop is just another employee, no different from a laborer or a truck driver.

As far as intervening, well, that depends on your job description, and on common sense, as you state. But anyone who is going to unduly risk their life to protect a hundred bucks (or a million bucks) worth of merchandise is a fool, working for a fool, and needs to find a different job.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Rentacops are cowardly, oddball, low-lifes who don't have the intestinal mettle to be real cops.

This Ebay auction cracked me up. The cuffs are probably not worth much, but the price is reasonably low. Who ever wrote the story behind them (which has to be a load of bull) should be writing fiction novels.


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Naw, they ain't that either.

They're mostly honest guys and gals doing a job just like you and me. It's a necessary job, and an honourable one.

Their role is separate and distinct from cops.

And I think this dead horse has assumed the aspect ratio of a carpet.