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PETCHI 24 Jan 2008
#1
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





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GTV 24 Jan 2008
#2
Perhaps your friend would be more happy if signed "Adolph Hitler"

Fake engraves.

Why do these come out now?
cuffman69 24 Jan 2008
#3
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





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Hi Petchi,

I would agree that the stamping are almost certainly fake and have been added to increase the collectabilty of the hand cuffs which would increase the value.

There has been a similar post on this forum recently. it was titled "DDR or WW2 german handcuffs?" and posted by JBM on the 13. Jan 2008.

RMP (Mark)
germanhandcuffs 24 Jan 2008
#4
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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Next weeks offer: original red furr covered hinged handcuffs, signed: Eva Braun
PETCHI 24 Jan 2008
#5
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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Hello MARK

I full agree with you. I saw this post some weeks ago. My friend will be disappointed to see that he has bought fake cuffs.
I am sure that those cuffs have no been made in the fourthies

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Unknown / guest 24 Jan 2008
#6
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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fake model for the first one I fully agree but for your information, I have this one in my collection. This engrave is original.

I have bought this model less than ย€20 a long time ago. The seller was honnest. The bad condition of the cuffs is a piece of evidence. There is just a wastika on both side. During the WWII a part of the french police collaborate with the german army.... What a disgrace!




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germanhandcuffs 24 Jan 2008
#7
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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Disgrace or not; at least these French handcuffs with swastika's are original!
Atame.Muc 24 Jan 2008
#8
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





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The GDR handcuffs are fakes for sure. And frankly, I am not sure if the swastika on the La Massenotte is original. I think only a swastika is unusual. Usually they used a stamp with a swastika in a circle with an eagle atop of it and the letter "M" below.

Best regards,
Guenter
germanhandcuffs 24 Jan 2008
#9
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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@Atame: don't forget that collaborators in occupied countries also used the swastika among other germanic symbols (for instance: Dutch collaborators used the wolfshook), to show wich side they where on. Handcuffs like these could have could been in service with a pro-nazi French police unit.
Dorson 24 Jan 2008
#10
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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I agree, the GDR's are modern vintage without a doubt. The La Massonette's I have my doubts. As far as age goes, I will leave that to others for dating. I find the Swastika suspect since it does not conform to known stampings from that time period. I notice that the stamp itself has flaws in it which is not like the quality that Germany is known for. I think maybe someone on there travels in India or the like found a stamp and brought it home with them. I find the stamping to be a fake like the GDR's.

-Dorson
Edgeplay_Cgo 24 Jan 2008
#11
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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@Atame: don't forget that collaborators in occupied countries also used the swastika among other germanic symbols (for instance: Dutch collaborators used the wolfshook), to show wich side they where on. Handcuffs like these could have could been in service with a pro-nazi French police unit.

This doesn't conform with the way I've seen most government equipment to be marked. It's usually marked, either as an acceptance stamp, or to demonstrate ownership (i.e. to discourage theft). The deathsheads, swasticas, etc don't do that. In the case of civilian police departments, the stuff has already been acquired and probably has all the markings deemed necessary, usually department initials. And there would be little reason to change that with a new regime. Inertia and all that.

They appear to be a little over the top for me, making me suspect. The markings on the DDR cuffs are clearly over the top. It looks like the person who marked them thought that if one was good, three were better. The swastica on the La Maisonnettes is rather ornate. Thet would be an expensive stamp to make. I don't know if that indicates it's more real or more fake. [SHRUG]

For political demonstrations, units are more likely to adopt shoulder patches, medallions, stuff that can be seen by the occupiers you are trying to suck up to. They're less likely to notice if you put the Fuerher's picture on your pocketknife.

joe tanner 24 Jan 2008
#12
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





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i am sure that it is a fake.... whoever did it would have been better off to leave the stupid skull & bones off... maybe Joe or Gordon will post a photo of a cuff with the old genuine factory marked Nazi EAGLE mark etc as i know one of them has one... joe
lauher 24 Jan 2008
#13
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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Hi Joe

Your wish is granted.



Joe
Anonymous 25 Jan 2008
#14
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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on the true markings what does the m stand for, military, malisia, murders,WHAT?
germanhandcuffs 25 Jan 2008
#15
My friend does not speak English. So I ask the question for him.
He bought this week-end this german model in a flea market in Bergium. He thinks that it is an original model. I do not agree with him. I think that this model has not been made during the WWII. I am not an expert

If it is an original model.... WAOUUUUUUU

And you what are you opinions. Fake engraves or not ?





mail to petchi@tele2.fr
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A nice photo of a beautifull pair of handcuffs, Joseph! I think this stamping is pre-Nazi Prussian Police (early 30's).