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gotta get me some of those brass tags ...

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atlanta*casting 14 Jul 2008

want to get your item noticed?
just add a fancy brass name tag...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0235160186

I wonder if it is in the 3bay seller guide..

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atlanta*casting 14 Jul 2008

another is available..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0238172968

it is the heavy duty reinforced type handcuffs.

Brad Darling 17 Jul 2008

Well, some lucky fellow just bought it for $300, tag and all.

Joe, be sure not to let it slip through without being included in the recent auctions.

Boy, I'd hate to be the one who had to explain that sale to St Peter.

Brad

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Joe Lauher 17 Jul 2008

Brad

Actually that is something I will not do. I try not to include any repros in the auction list. The last thing I want to do is to mislead some other sucker into bidding on a pair.

Maybe we need another list for most outrageous rip offs.

Joe

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atlanta*casting 18 Jul 2008

How about a list of, "most likely shill bidded" ...?

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Michael Lee 18 Jul 2008

THIS SUCKS !!!!!!!!!

Is there no way to contact the Buyer of thes item to inform him/her that they have been

scamed ??? And possible educate the individual to Beware of this sort of thing.

Not to mention contacting the Seller & Informing them that the name will be posted

for the world to see labeling them as a Simple "Scumbag / Low life.

Lets take this BS even further by informing the Powers that be at Ebay that this sort

of S*#T has to STOP.......

As in the long run it really does give the serious dealers / collecting industry a bad name.

Michael Lee

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J.Kuczero 18 Jul 2008

You can contact the seller either by clicking on the "Ask seller a question" link in the listing or clicking on their name in the listing and then on the "Contact Member" link on their feedback page. The buyer can be contacted by clicking on their name after the auction closes and then clicking on the "Contact Member" link on their feedback page.

You can contact e-bay several ways but my experience with that is that it's pointless. E-bay makes much better commissions from a $300 sale than from a $9.95 sale. Their stance on the matter is that the sellers are responsible for the information contained in the listing and the buyers are responsible for verifying it before they bid. If you're willing to pay big bucks for trash then e-bay is willing to let you do it.

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Edgeplay_Cgo 19 Jul 2008

Is there no way to contact the Buyer of thes item to inform him/her that they have been scamed ???

There is, as J. Kuczero described. I agree with his summary of the situation. You should know that ratting out the seller to the buyer is considered by eBay to be Auction Interference. You can be banned for it. So you should probably set up a series of sterile accounts to avoid having your main account trashed.

Not to mention contacting the Seller & Informing them that the name will be posted for the world to see labeling them as a Simple "Scumbag / Low life.

There would be a severe risk of suffering from a libel action for maintaining and publishing such a list.

Lets take this BS even further by informing the Powers that be at Ebay that this sort of S*#T has to STOP.

I routinely report these to eBay. Often the auctions come down. Often they don't. eBay doesn't really give a squat. They make a lot of money from frauds. To give the devils a little due, it is difficult to police this stuff, and the whole collectibles and antique world is rife with frauds. The half witted benobo monkeys that pass for eBay staph wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a Hiatt Warranted Best Hard darby and an Indian knockoff with a brass tag that says "Genuine Knockoff."

I don't know if it is worth the effort to interest the Postal Inspectors. This is mail fraud. One player on one sale is pretty much immune, as they swim through the nets, but if someone could be convinced that there is a pattern of fraud, perhaps they could be gotten interested. I wouldn't hold my breath, thgough.

This whole rip-off business is very frustrating.

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atlanta*casting 09 Aug 2008

Just happened to check this sellers feedback to see what the buyers
thought of their purchase and found that they were very satisfied and
left Positives for the seller.

One buyer of the Alcatraz handcuffs/legirons combo was not but the
seller issued a refund minus shipping cost and still got a positive
rating from the buyer..

Would we want to stop people from being happy?

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atlanta*casting 18 Aug 2008

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here's another.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-FOLSOM-PRISON-S ... 0251068195

The seller claims he was told that Johnny Cash handled them..

That is just wrong and the lowest of the low to use JC to keyword spam
an item..

Brilliant marketing using those brass tags tho.

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Steve Santini 18 Aug 2008

#11

That is pretty sick.

Johnny Cash was a legend.

This stuff is pure crap.

Always was, always will be.

Steve Santini

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Ron Spitz 18 Aug 2008

#12

Maybe it should be spelled FULSOM Prison!

Ron

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Michael Lee 18 Aug 2008

#13

Why not Fool-Sum ?

Seriously though ......This really Stinks.

Something has to be done about these .... characters.

What next , cuffs owned by Houdini ?

Michael Lee

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Edgeplay_Cgo 18 Aug 2008

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The problem with eBay is twofold. First, they don't particularly care. They make money when stuff is sold. Look at all the Chinese knockoffs of electronics and designers goods that "sneak in" despite their "valiant efforts" to eliminate them.

The second is that eBay does everything on the cheap. Look at the joke that passes for customer service, there. If a job requires ten persons, they employ one half trained benobo monkey to do it. The only way random stuff like fake cuffs get pulled, is when vigilantes report it, and the benobo monkey that reads the report has just had a bananna.

I report that stuff when I can be bothered, but it's kinda like peeing into the wind.

The only answer is caveat emptor and to let the marks be separated from their money.

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jq0 18 Aug 2008

#15

In a case like this it's sometimes easier to get the item pulled. The estate has legal grounds for a lawsuit and that'll usually get e-bay's attention. Report the item using Listing policy violations-Keyword spamming-Inappropriate or excessive use of brand and/or celebrity names. Then e-mail a link to the item to the estate manager.

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Steve Santini 18 Aug 2008

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It was incorrectly reported here that the seller claims Johnny Cash held these.

That is not so.

In the auction description the seller says "I was told..."

There is a BIG difference here folks.

No one on this entire planet can prove this is not what the seller was told when he bought the item and the seller can simply claim he was only reporting what someone else he got the cuffs from told him.

In my time of collecting many historical things I have run into many antique dealers who, with no actual knowledge of what they are selling, report verbatim what they have been told by a seller, another antique dealer, and so on.

It happens all the time and leaves no recourse for the buyer of said item.

It can neither be proven nor disproven.

Steve Santini

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Steve Santini 18 Aug 2008

#17

Believe the seller was told this at all

But, such things do happen.

Probably not in this case though.

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jq0 18 Aug 2008

#18

You're correct Steve. But the simple fact that Johhn Cash is mentioned in the listing at all is enough. Using his name in conjunction with advertising any item for sale requires permission from his estate. If I list a pair of these and say "I was told these are exactly like a pair Steve Santini once used." you would have grounds for a legal action against me. I'm using your name to make a profit without your consent.

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Steve Santini 18 Aug 2008

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If someone, anyone, told you THEY were told this and that and then you took that information imparted to you in what you believed to be good faith and reliable and passed same along when you then went on to sell the item you are not the liable party.

Who IS liable is the person who sold you the item in the first place because they claimed whatever they told you was in fact so when indeed it was not.

I am not defending this seller or the auction listing but simply put it is not his fault if he, or she, was told this and is just passing it along.

It is up to any potential buyer to ask for proof of any such claims before they lay down the loot.

As for estates getting involved, once again if they wanted to they would have to go after the initial seller that cooked up the story in the first place.

Not the reseller.

Steve Santini

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Steve Santini 18 Aug 2008

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Or whoever it is.

Using the name of a celebrity to sell an item happens all the time.

Does this mean that the guy I bought my Johnny Cash autographed 8 by 10 from years ago can be charged because he sold me a "Johnny Cash picture" without the permission of the estate?

Of course not.

Now if these cuffs were ENGRAVED Johnny Cash, then that would violate the brand and give the estate recourse by law.

Steve Santini

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