Ultra rare Griffin bar cuff

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

Mine is marked Griffin Birmingham. The other one I have seen is a Hiatt and is a different size and keyway. There is supposed to be one in a British museum, but I don't know how it is marked. I would like to see a picture when you get it.
Stan

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Hi Stan,

Thanks for this info.

I have yet to hear back from my friend on what if any stampings are on this cuff but based upon what you have just shared it could very well be a Hiatt.

I have seen a not so great/clear pic of it and it seems to have a bigger body top to bottom in between the wrist loops and it is difficult to make out but I am inclined to think it has a different keyhole with the bit section going in a different direction than the Griffin model. (Is this true of the Hiatt model you know of?)

In a day or two I will be provided with hopefully clearer pics and when they come I shall be happy to post same here for all to see.

Cheers, Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Here is a picture of my Griffin Bar cuff. I was unable to find a picture of the Hiatt cuff, and I don't remember who owns it.
Stan

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Hi Stan and thanks for that pic.

Going by your pic I would have to say that what I am currently negotiating on is NOT a Griffin bar cuff but most likely is a Hiatt or some other early English design.

The ones I am working on have a MUCH higher lock case from top to bottom.

I hope I get them as they may in fact be even more rare than the Griffin model.

Cheers, Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Regarding the Hiatts you have seen...

Did they have a flat edge to the bows on the outside and a rounded edge to the bows on the inside where the wrists would be?

If this is so then it certainly looks like I have been offered the rare Hiatt version.

On the pic of your Griffin I can see that the bows are rounded on the inside and outside just like most Darby cuffs are.

Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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As I recall, the Hiatt had bows as you describe. I'm uncertain why you would say the Hiatt is more rare than the Griffin when only 2 of each are currently known. Maybe some of our British experts can add something.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Stan,

I felt the Hiatts are more rare because I had always, (for some reason I can't put my finger on right now), thought that there were 3 Griffins out there instead of 2.

I know about the one in Alex's book and yours but I seem to recall seeing another one somewhere else.

Perhaps I am mistaken.

Hopefully tommorow I will get the pics and we will know for certain if the one I am chasing actually is a Hiatt.

And perhaps you can recall who has the other one if indeed mine may be a Hiatt.

Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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i seem to recall a cuff similar to this in Norwich castle, the castle was used as a prison for awhile, and they had various exhibits on display, among them this style of cuff, it was back in the early nineties i saw these. anyone from England seen them?....

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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The Griffin barcuff shown in the Alex Nichols book is housed in the York Castle Museum.

Perhaps there is another one in another castle.

Steve Santini

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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I can confirm that York Castle does have two sets of Griffin bar handcuffs. The set that is shown in Alex Nichols book were lent to me back in about 1985 and I made a working key for them (I also made several aluminium castings of them one of which was sent to Ian in Australia as a Christmas present for him to try and get a working copy made).
The other set they have is on display near the Dick Turpin cell, again this one does not have a key but at the time they did not feel it necessary to get a key on display with the other exhibits.
Chris Gower

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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I can now confirm that the one I am working on is not a Griffin but is in fact a Hiatt.

Cheers, Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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So...

That makes 3 known Griffin handcuffs and 2 Hiatt versions.

It is starting to look like the Hiatt model may indeed be more rare than the Griffin barcuff.

At least for the time being.

Cheers, Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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And so the price goes up.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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With two Griffins being in a museum, wouldn't that make the Griffin the rarest? Just my two cents.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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ANYTHING can be donated to a museum.

How that implies rarity is beyond comprehension.

It is the known number of any item that speaks to rarity.

Funny how as a collector yourself you seemed not to grasp this.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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When you can grasp how to use your name, I'll tell how wrong you are. Till then, no replies to you.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Let's see.

Someone donates a copy of The Memoirs of Robert Houdin to a magic museum.

Does that now make that book super rare just because it is on display in a museum?

No.

Why?

Because there are many other editions out there known to exist and that reside in numerous collections the world over.

You are TOO FUNNY Kevin.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz. You're info is as useless as your name. Maybe that's why you don't use it. We can see that from your posts. Anyone would be ashamed to be you. I'm glad you know your limitations.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Hi guys, I use my name to post so maybe my opinion on this matter might count a little more than mr. phantom's......

If you look at HOW MANY objects are in museums as compared to how many of the same objects are in private collections, you can determine said object's value much better. Let me give you an example:

Marlin Leg Irons. 3 known pairs, 2 are in a museum and quite un-obtainable to any of the collectors (just ask Joe, he tried his best to get them, to no avail), and the last pair are in the hands of one of the collectors known to everyone here. Since there are 3 pairs, and 2 of those are out of reach, I believe that raises the value of the one obtainable pair. If there were 100 pairs of Bean Giant cuffs in the world and 95 of them were in a museum (never be sold), I think that the other 5 would sky rocket in vaule. I think THAT is the point. I could have 5 of these Hiatt bar cuffs locked away in a bank vault, but if they were never to leave that vault, then it would make the remaining ones more valuable. There could be 1,000 pairs of Guiteau cuffs stuffed away somewhere, but until they are known and made availible, they do not affect the value of the existing pairs. Have I made my point?

Cheers, Mike

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Yes Michael, your point is valid and well presented.

I just got back from a few days in Toronto where I took my daughter to an Avril Lavigne concert (while there I was very close to suicide being that I prefer metal) and upon my return I saw I had recieved an e mail from my contact who informed me that we have come to terms and the Hiatt bar cuff is in fact now mine.

Cheers, Steve Santini

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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"There could be 1,000 pairs of Guiteau cuffs stuffed away somewhere, but until they are known and made availible, they do not affect the value of the existing pairs."

I'd have to disagree with you Mike. As soon as they're made known it would effect the value of the remaining cuffs. This is 1 of 5 known vs. this is 1 of 1005 known? Even if they're never made available for sale the fact that they're known to exist is going to have a significant impact on the value. To use your example: Marlin leg irons. 2 in a museum. 1 in the hands of a private collector. Recently a local hardware store that's been a family business for 6 generations went out of business. All of the old back storage room, never got sold, why would anyone buy that old garbage, what would you do with it anyway stuff was sold at auction. (Cheap!!!) I bought a case of 12 Marlin leg irons still in the factory packaging for $20. (Okay it's a nice fantasy.) Even though I'm keeping them and they're not going to be for sale in my lifetime, how does that effect the value of the original 3 sets? The last known set to sell at auction now went for $1.67.

Also, museums can, and often do for one reason or another, sell items. I won't hold my breath waiting for the Louvre to put the Mona Lisa on the block but just because an item isn't available right now doesn't mean that it will never be available. A lot would depend on both the museum and the item in question.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Most of you have made very valid points, and Steve has created plenty of hype here to help sell his cuff. We all have different ways of valuing the cuffs we buy. I've been buying and selling for 40 years and have a large collection. While rarity is certainally a factor when it comes to price, it is only one of several factors I use to deciide what I will pay for something. Along with rarity, the biggest thing to me is condition. Then comes workmanship, eye appeal, mechanical interest and how close is it to other cuffs of similar design. Is there an interesting history to the cuff?
Is there an original key ? We all have our own ways of deciding what we will pay for something.
Stan

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Hopefully these pics are going to show up here and I have done this correctly.

The cuff is in good condition, perfect working order, and with what very well appears to be an original key.

Steve

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Well, that did not work.

I will try again.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Last pic

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Looks nice. Are there any markings ?
Stan

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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It looks like there is a small protrusion on the top edge of the lock case. What is the purpose of this ?

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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It looks like it is to hold/secure the first cuff shut (but not locked), whilst the second cuff locks. This would stop the first cuff being forced sideways.

Just a thought.

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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The small spike or nub that protrudes from the top of the lockcase is, as has been correctly surmised here, a device that goes through a hole in one of the locking bars to keep the bar from sliding sideways.

As for markings or stampings, it is difficult to tell from the pics but the cuff is on it's way to me now and once I have it in hand I will give it a good look over.

Steve Santini

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Steve, very nice looking cuff! Even though selling it might very well pay for a down payment on a house, I would have a hard time parting it. What a great Crown Jewel for anyone's collection.

Cheers, Mike

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Hi Steve and all:
This is the same style of Hiatt bar cuff I owned for years, same key and same bows, same indexing pin
I sold mine a couple of years ago
it is a great cuff
They actually were used for a period in the south for the slave trade
again, great cuff
congrats

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Are these spring locking or do you need to lock them with the key? It also looks like the key is a simple warded type with a huge keyhole. How difficult would it be to open them without a key? Or do they rely on the fact that whoever might be wearing them is going to have a tough time just getting to the lock?

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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I would like to inform all that my Hiatt bar cuff is sold.

Thanks to everyone who showed genuine interest in this super rare cuff.

Cheers, Steve Santini

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Well, from the original post, it's not a Griffin.

Could you kindly educate all of us and post some pictures of the markings on this rare Hiatt cuff?

From the photographs earlier posted, no markings could be seen.

I, for one, would like to see how "HIATT" was stamped on those things.

Franklin

Hello,

I may very soon be in possession of an ultra rare Griffin bar cuff (or, Griffin "solid state" Bean Giant like cuff). This one seems different judging by the pics I have seen in that it's lock case appears to be bigger top to bottom than other examples I have seen pics of.

Also the keyhole seems to be positioned in a different configuration than previously known. I cannot be 100% certain of this but it certainly seems so by looking at the pics I have seen.

It may be a prototype or it may be a Griffin style bar cuff made by another British handcuff maker. I will say that they are not repros and certainly are authentic period cuffs.

Once this is in my hands I will be offering it for private sale.

I do however have a few questions that some here may be able to answer:

1) Is Griffin the only British firm that made this style of cuff?,

2) Are there differences in the size, etc, of the few known models out there?,

and finally,

3) How many of these are actually known to exist? I know they are ultra rare but just how many are known to be out there?.

Like I said, once I get these in my hands I will be offering them for sale.

Seriously interested buyers may contact me with offers at bookings@thedarkmaster.com

I already have a price in mind I would be looking to get for this spectacular and scarce cuff but I would like to see if there is any serious interest before I throw my price out there.

Cheers, Steve Santini

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Up to the new owner.

The cuffs should be in his hands shortly.

Steve Santini