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unusual Peerless persuader come-along

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atlanta*casting 11 Aug 2008
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eBay 11 Aug 2008
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Only on eBay==

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Peerless-Ha ... dZViewItem

Notice the three Patent Numbers?
JBM 11 Aug 2008
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Factory or home made?

Anonymous 11 Aug 2008
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Home made.
Texas Bulls 11 Aug 2008
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Looks like a Cuff and a Bullwhip handle to me

C
Stan Willis 11 Aug 2008
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Merle Gill had a similar item in his collection, but it was a wooden handle and had a one of a kind swing through, solid key cuff attached.
Stan
Edgeplay_Cgo 12 Aug 2008
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It does have braiding similar to the butt end of a whip. I bet it's leaded, so it can be used as a cosh.

jq0 12 Aug 2008
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I'm pretty sure that even in the 40's and for sure in the 70's the INS and the Border Patrol would have frowned on that Dennis.

Looking closely at the pictures, I'm sure there's a wooden handle there. Note where the handle and cuff are joined. The leather covering it is just for a more secure hold. I wonder if he got that done in Juarez. LOL
Tim 14 Aug 2008
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Not at all Kujo, as a matter of fact, no self respecting cop would have been seen in uniform in the late 70, 80, and even a few holdouts to this day, without a slapper of some type. Bucheimer made the best, Safariland made a monster, and even Jay-Pee got into the act, along with a host of others. I have been collecting these for years and have about 300 or so that I have picked up since I finally had to retire mine in '92 because they were considered "inhumane". So they issued us ASP batons, which is nothing more than an expandable steel pipe. Go figure.
Call them blackjaks, coshes, saps, slappers, persuaders, or a host of other nicknames, there wasn't a better tool for a close in domestic fight in close quarters to this day. I am thinking this is nothing more than a Bucheimer springloaded medium spring jack with a Peerless cuff attached to the spring somehow. And yes, Dennis, the end is weighted with a nice ball of lead or pot metal. Made getting attention prior to handcuffing much easier I am sure.
Quite an ingenious tool of the trade. Too bad someone who has never had to use one of these for a living will probably win it. Thus goes the 'bay.
Edgeplay_Cgo 15 Aug 2008
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> Made getting attention prior to handcuffing much easier I am sure.

I don't think I'd make a good cop. Every time I see a roomful of cops wrestling with some mope, my first reaction is "slap him upside the head with a sap or a flashlight. That'll teach 'im to resist." They'd probably have me UNDER the jail.


atlanta*casting 17 Aug 2008
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In scene 25 of the movie Legends of the Fall, One of the O'Banion brothers
whacks Tristan with a sap / blackjack after stealing his bootlegging money.

I don't know what brand of blackjack it is as they are illegal to posses here
in Michigan so there aren't too many around these parts of the woods for a
reference.

I am not real savvy on the different patent numbers on peerless handcuffs and
since I like the early style produced before 1932 model am really not interested
in trying to "complete that set" as they say..

atlanta*casting 18 Aug 2008
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Congrats to Stan.
Stan Willis 18 Aug 2008
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My apologies to Tim. ("Too bad someone who has never had to use one of these for a living will probably win it. Thus goes the 'bay.")
I thyink the come-along found a good home. I went for it because of it's similarity to one in The Merle Gill collection that he said was used by the El Paso Border Patrol in 1928.
Stan


Franklin 12 Sep 2008
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While looking for something entirely unrelated, I ran across this:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=52hjAA ... q=handcuff

By all appearances, it's a United States patent (1,803,280) for this device, called a "handcuff handle" issued in 1931, to a couple of guys in El Paso, Texas.

Franklin
stan willis 14 Sep 2008
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Sure looks a lot like the cuff I got. Gill had one in his colelction that has a wooden handle and a different cuff. This patent looks a lot like the ones with the leather. There was also an earlier model that I did not get.
Stan
Joe Lauher 15 Sep 2008
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There were two of these on eBay. I bought the second one which had a Peerless flat key cuff.
It is a very good match to the patent.

Joe
stan willis 15 Sep 2008
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Do you think Peerless came out with the new (barrel key) model about the time the cuff (nipper) was being manufactured, and that explains the early and later model cuffs ? The patent dates would support that thinking....I think.
Stan

Franklin 15 Sep 2008
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Hi Stan & Joe:

The patent dates are all pretty close:
Handcuff Handle: filed January 3, 1930, issued April 28, 1931
Model 3 Handcuff Lock: filed April 20, 1931, issued August 23, 1932

When I saw each of these on eBay, I was curious of the method used to fasten the cuff to the handle. Judging from the photo of Stan's, it seems to follow the method illustrated in the patent of attaching a rod to the swivel that passes completely through the handle and is anchored at the ball of the handle.

Joe, on yours, the eBay photos seemed to show that some grinding and brazing had been done to the Model 2 cuff body in the area of the swivel. Perhaps they were still experimenting with their design.

If you could supply any further details on the construction of your devices, I'd be interested.

All in all, I think pinpointing El Paso, Texas as the origin is a safe bet since the patent applicants lived there. I grew up out in West Texas, and if you wanted anything done with leather, you went to Juarez (just across the river). Those guys down there did some amazing stuff and it was dirt cheap. As a kid, I distinctly recall that most of the old-time law enforcement guys had custom made, Mexican handtooled belts, holsters, cartridge holders, etc. and always done in brown leather. I suppose today we'd call it some sort of fashion statement.

Franklin
lauher 15 Sep 2008
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Franklin

The assembly is a bit crude, but I think it was done in a factory.

I will get you some nice photos.

Joe
Unknown / guest 17 Sep 2008
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Franklin

Here are the promised pictures of the Stull cuff. The clip for the belt is not part of the patent. In fact it may be a user addition.

Joe





Edgeplay_Cgo 17 Sep 2008
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Nice looking come-along.

How is the extention to the lock case attached? I can't tell from the photo if it's integral with the lock case or brazed on, or something else.

The belt clip may have been a user add on. It looks like a very bad way to carry the thing, and I bet it was seldom used. It looks like it would poke you in the back and want to fall off your belt.