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Arek-Muc 21 Feb 2010
#1
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
Dorson 21 Feb 2010
#2
The ball and chain is modern for sure. The foot leg device, I would want to see more detailed pictures without the ball and chain. To me it looks like a device to break the leg below the knee and above the ankle. After taking a second look, it is a reproduction made up by a blacksmith. IMHO, not worth 10,000 Euro's.
weaseldandaw 21 Feb 2010
#3
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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The words Fake & Reproduction spring to mind.
Arek-Muc 22 Feb 2010
#4
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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This is certainly no Fake or Reproduction . I can send more photos in email, leg irons is to be seen live in Munich
and the price ist for trade (a proposed price please)...

Now on eBay- still 4 new pics!!!

parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
Steve Santini 22 Feb 2010
#5
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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I am currently in Switzerland at the home of a great friend who has one of the finest Medieval restraint and torture device collections in private hands. Knowing what I know and he knows and studying these types of items firsthand we are BOTH of the opinion this is a modern made fantasy instrument.

It is not even based on an actual historical restraint.

Steve Santini
Arek-Muc 23 Feb 2010
#6
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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were you in Gdansk??? (museum wieza wiezienna i katownia) or in Warsaw ???(museum of Pawiak), you must absolutely visit this museum in Gdansk and not unassured the people, you has no anticipation which torture devices generally are in the east Europe still!

Yes of course, this leg irons is a modern made fantasy instrument how my SCHWERTFEGER 1911 or just sold handcuffs of Horst Stein Munich- no comments

At that:
The German bar cuff (sold in 2003 or 2004 for Stan Willis) + this leg irons http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... K:MEUSX:IT (sold 19/02/2010)+ this leg irons for 10,000 euros (and more-I must not sell everything) come from the same house!


parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
Dorson 23 Feb 2010
#7
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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Arek,
Let me tell you a little story and I hope it translate clearly into german. There is an old US Army fort in southern Virginia that is still in operation but there is a museum there that has stuff from the Civl War. This person I know that does forging also makes knives of the Civel War period. He happened to be at the museum one day and was looking over the collection and made a comment that knife on display is a reproduction and the guide heard this. The guide insisted that the knife was made over 100 years ago during that war, but he insisted he was right. The curator was summoned and assured the visitor that indeed it was genuine. The visitor told the curator that he was wrong and could prove it, he said on the other side of the knife that was not visible in the display case was a certain mark on the knife. He even drew a picture of the mark that he said was on the other side not visible. The curator opened the case and removed the knife and the mark was there. He told the curator that no knife of that period had that mark ever. The visitor went on to explain the reason he knew the knife was a reproduction is because he was the person who made the knife and the mark was his own maker's mark. Frequently reproductions are make to show what the original was like because not all things survive intact. How often have we seen bilboes so rusted as for the average person has aa hard time knowing what it really looked like. So a blacksmith is hired to make a reproduction for display purposes. Sometime the blacksmith does an execellent job and other times they take short cuts and is easy to tell that it is modern construction. I also happen to work with metal and have done some blacksmithing know how to spot details that are giveaways as to modern versus old style blacksmithing.
Dorson 23 Feb 2010
#8
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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Arek,
Forgot one last thing, there is a saying here in American and I have translated it for you into german.

Sie können einige der Menschen für einige Zeit täuschen, aber man kann nicht täuschen alle Menschen die ganze Zeit.

Ich bin halb Sudetendeutschen!
atlanta*casting 23 Feb 2010
#9
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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They can be deceptive some humans for some time, but one cannot deceive all humans the whole time. I am half Sudeten Germans!

save yourself having to go to an online translator.
Dorson 23 Feb 2010
#10
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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The correct translation is...

You can fool some people for some time, but you can not fool all the people all the time.

I'm half Sudeten German!
Arek-Muc 23 Feb 2010
#11
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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I must not fool the people- you do not know me and you must me not offend!!!


I collect the chains for 11 years (am 32 years old) and has sold already more than 200 exemplare for collector, I sell nobody fake


This leg irons to make a copy in Poland is not quite cheap (approx. 1200-1500 euros)

If you have no argument, you have not seen live the cuffs, you think that you everything knows, in Germany such people designate ein Klugscheisser (know-it-all)

and the on-line translator is better than my english


parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
Edgeplay_Cgo 23 Feb 2010
#12
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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The ball & Chain look new, but the photos of the chain are not detailed enough for me to tell. The links appear to have the modern proof-coil shape, but I am not seeing the characteristic bump from electric resistance welding. I would need to examine the chain. If the links are forge welded, the lap where the weld occurs should be visible on some of the links, at least. They are extremely uniform links, not in keeping with the mediocre quality of the rest of the work.

Of course, a metallurgical analysis would tell.

The ball and chain does not appear to go with the shin breaker. They would have no purpose, together. Then again, restraint items often get "connected" just because they were found together.

The shin breaker appears to have been electric-arc welded in inside of the heel. It appears to have been stick welded and the weld is cratered. This can be seen in photos 2 and 5, counting downward.

The tab where the upper leg bolt is attached to the shackle body appears to have been spot welded to the shackle body. I am not certain about this.

The slot that is captured by the wingnut in Photo 4 has a square bottom. This would be an unusual, but not unheard of, way for a smith to cut a slot. Typically a round hole would be punched to make the bottom of the slot, It would then be chiseled out to make a slot. This is easier than cutting a square notch, looks more finished, and is stronger in wrought iron.

I can't see how the hinge on the backstrap is fastened, but question why a smith would use a separate hinge at all, when he could have rolled the ends over and slotted them for hinges. There are other examples of integral hinges on the device.

I would want to examine the screw threads.

The overall construction looks like strap-iron. It is expensive and unnecessary to create those sharp, square corners. Making such uniform strap iron by hand, would take skill that clashes against the buggery marks elsewhere on the device.

All in all, this makes me uneasy.
Rainer aka Hanseatenhans 23 Feb 2010
#13
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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Sometimes there are more answers as one can think immediately...
This boot has an original torture device from the 17th cent. as an archetype. There has been a pair of them in an auction of Herman Historica in May, 1992. They had a limit of DM 12,000.00 at that time and sold for some 30,000.00! Sorry, Arek, but I believe, your boot is not from the 17th. cent., but it is a very good replica. It could be a historism peace out of the second half of 19th. cent., early 20th cent., or even a modern reproduction (Honi soit qui mal y pense)...but this is too difficult to judge with a photo only.
I hope this could help.
Best wishes to all collectors
Rainer
Barnum 24 Feb 2010
#14
Hi all,

I have a nice "leg irons" to sold, pics and description on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :MESELX:IT


if you are interested please dent me a mail (+ proposed price).






parus_leder@yahoo.de

Best regards from Munich,
Arek
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The full statement was:

You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Phineas Taylor Barnum

Translate it into any language you want. Those things are phakes; a phantasy item; a phigment of imagination; a device conceived to part a phool from his money.

Although, at the appropriate price, the thing would make a nice doorstop for the entrance to the exhibit of JoJo the Monkey Boy and the Fish Woman.