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galjunior 12 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





Dorson 12 Oct 2010
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George, if you are gonna tease us with that, at least show some pictures...
Anonymous 13 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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Google is a great tool! You have the name and the place.

I too would like to see them.
LK 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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found easton grey to be a village in WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easton_Grey

COULD BE THAT THE L STANDS FOR LORD?
LK 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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I don't see hiatt stamped on them an it does have that indent and tang where thay connect, it's very old and possiably a NICHOL'S does anyone else have a HIATT with the tang an indent?
DO U ONLY HAVE THE ONE SIDE?
Paul 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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The tip of the threaded bolt is pointed like a boer war plug eight. I'd say late 18oos. The clevis also seems later but the rest looks early? Lettering looks engraved, not stamped. Interesting. I also doubt it is Hiatt but who knows.
Steve Santini 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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One tell tale clue is that the threaded tip of the key is fluted 3 ways not 4.

4 came later.

This is very early 1800's.

Steve Santini
LK 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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DO U SEE THE TANG AND INDENT (GROOVE) WHERE THE BOWS CONNECT? I THINK THEY ALSO DENOTE VERY EAIRLY MAKE /CORRECT?
ALSO CLOSER LOOKING AND THE L could be a capital i

LK D~D
Steve Santini 14 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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If you mean the two little teeth on the bow tip near the threaded toe of the cuff that fit into filed slots in the lock tube, yes, they do denote an earlier plug restraint. However, Froggatt was making plug cuffs with one tooth like this right up until he stopped making them.

The teeth and indents are likely to make it harder to pry the toes from the threaded spanner once the cuff is screwed shut. Meaning, it is harder to get a chisel in there to forcibly strike them apart.

One feature that is certainly very telling on the age of this restraint is the spiked prong that goes into the hollow tip of the key just like a "Boer War" model plug cuff.

When you see this on plug leg irons you are dealing with a very early model.

Based on all the versions I have owned and handled over the years I believe they stopped making them like this during the mid to late 1880's.

Steve Santini
galjunior 15 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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First, I want to thank you all for responding. I will just add one more bit of information. They are stamped Hiatt. Originally there was a thick leather strap that must have been the way the other half was attached. I can't think of any reason why it would have been there.

George
PaulJDavies 15 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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This Thomas Griffin leg cuff (pre 1816) is older than that made by his nephew Thomas Griffin Hiatt. It has a similar bow which narrows at each side. It has a left handed four fluted key, one "tooth" and a flat end to the bolt.
LK 15 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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NOW IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE SOME SORT OF A LEAD ITEM, LIKE FOR LEADING SLAVE'S TO THE AUCTION BLOCK
WHAT IS THE SIZE INSIDE WHEN CLOSED? FROM WHAT COUNTRY DID U OBTAIN IT PLEASE?

LK D~D
The Amazing Michael 17 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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Looks like that one was slipped inside of the end chain link of a ball and chain rather than through a lead chain. If it were big enough for the neck, I'd say a lead chain but not ankle sized.

Nice patina on both....nice, dark brown, and smoooooth! I like em'!

Cheers, Mike D~C/
Paul 17 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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The Griffin one is 3.5 inches or 90mm inside. Definitely a leg cuff. Would love to find a collar.
The Amazing Michael 17 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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"Would love to find a collar."

Wouldn't we all! LOL!

Cheers, Mike D~C/
The Amazing Michael 19 Oct 2010
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I am a frequent visitor to the forum, but this is my first attempt at using it for information. I have a pair of Hiatt plug 8 leg irons. Stamped on the bow in large letters on each side of the bow are the names L. Hillier on one side and Easton Grey on the other. They appear to have been stamped that way by the manufacture. the letters are well stamped and about three eights in hight. I have never seen any Hiatt with names on them. Does anyone have any idea as to who or why the names are so prominently stamped on the restraints. I will attempt to send a picture of the cuff, but without a camera there is no way I can get a pictue of the names that I know of.
George





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George, I got your e-mail and tried twice to send a response but they were both kicked back immediately. If you have another e-mail account to send it to, I will send what I wrote.

Cheers, Mike D~C/