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MAGENTAKEY 21 Nov 2010
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I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
Unknown / guest 21 Nov 2010
#2
oops , here is the auction link ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0553304663
The Amazing Michael 21 Nov 2010
#3
I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
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Nice Darbies! I hope they find a nice home.

Does anyone know how many different sizes were these made in? Also, are the Froggatt Darby screw keys interchangeable with any other brands? If so, which ones? Thanks in advance for any info! =)

Cheers, Mike D~C/
lauher 21 Nov 2010
#4
I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
Click to expand...
Sizes of Darby Cuffs

We have discussed the smallest cuffs before, the smallest known standard English cuffs (from Chis Gower's collection) have an inside height of about 48mm or so, 1.9 inches.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/261154/m ... +in+world-

To designate the largest Darby handcuff takes a bit a definition, since if you get too big you just call it a leg iron.
But the largest one in my collection that I would call a handcuff is 70mm or about 2.75 inches.

Keys

The keys of all the 19th century Darby cuffs are similar, but not identical. The variations within a company are perhaps just a great as the differences between companies. So Froggatt cuffs can in general be opened with a Hiatt key. But in all cases you find that some keys simply fit better. That is a good reason for the matched numbering of cuffs and keys.

But there are all sorts of variations of course. One of my favorites is a Hiatt combination with one handcuff and one leg iron. One key opens them both, it is bigger than a normal handcuff key, but small than a normal leg iron key. Standard handcuff keys are too small for the single handcuff, standard leg iron keys are too big for the single leg iron.

Joe
MAGENTAKEY 21 Nov 2010
#5
I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
Click to expand...
Thanks so much Joe L. for adding to the thread . I was careful not to claim that the Froggatt's were the smallest size but just that they were smaller than normal .

The best I can measure them with a regular and MM ruler is ,

2 3/8" X 1 7/8" in MM is 60mm X 48mm

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The regular size pair that I have measures for comparison ,

2 5/8" X 2 1/16" in MM is 66mm X 52mm
lauher 21 Nov 2010
#6
I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
Click to expand...
Your small Froggatt cuff is very nice. It is quite small and the matching key is a nice addition.
It should bring a good price on eBay.

Joe
Paul Davies 22 Nov 2010
#7
I listed my small size Froggatt darbys on eBay today if anyone is interested ...



The photo is to show comparison between the small size and regular size Froggatt cuffs .

Only the small size cuffs are for sale .
Click to expand...
Hiatt cuffs with the M&C mark and a year close to or during WW1 seem to have a size marked on them of either 1, 2 or 3.
Reuben Craddock cuffs had dots or dimples on the bow where it meets the lock. Either 1, 2 or 3 dots showing their size.

Apart from that I think anything goes, since they were hand made.

Here are my smallest Hiatts at 51mm across (with a nice new left hand thread key thanks to Ian) and
largest Hiatts at 71mm across