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Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#1
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#2
I should also mention the waist chain was to be locked with a padlock and handcuffs and leg irons are to be double locked. He will give me 4 hours to escape at the end if I escape I will get a nominal $50.00 for my trouble if I fail I will have to wear the cuffs for 8 hours.

I am younger so the $50.00 is quite enticing and wearing them for 8 hours if I fail doesnt seem like that big a deal.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#3
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/smwemo100cuh.html
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#4
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
I think those would have to be it and I looked they also do the leg irons which I dont think Ill have to pick since they should slip off with some effort.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#5
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/cuhisetrbox.html
Joseph Fox 12 Jan 2011
#6
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
IMHO--Wearing a double-locked pair of ASSA Cuffs & Legirons...will be near impossible to 'pick'

(hint: get another ASSA key--and do a key-switch).

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#7
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
What exactly does the "bluebox" do. Assuming they cant be picked how can I get them off? I dont think I can slip the handcuffs off. Are the ankle cuffs more of a challenge than I think to slip off as well? I dont think a keyswitch will be possible. Knowing him he will leave the keys at home put them on me and let me try to escape and then get the keys if necessary.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#8
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
The 'bluebox' will prevent you from gaining access to the keyhole on the cuffs. All this means is that you would have to pick the padlock that holds the box shut before you could try to pick the handcuff locks. Not knowing how small your ankles are, I would think that if the cuffs were locked tightly you would not be able to do this easily.
PaulReardon 12 Jan 2011
#9
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Hello,

"Bluebox" may be a generic term your challenger is using for a transport box, in this case one specifically made for the S&W high security retrofit, (a link for which appears in "annons" second post.) A transport box is a handcuff cover that encases the handcuff and most importantly, the keyholes. Typically used in conjuction with a belly chain and martin link, these boxes can be secured by virtually any padlock.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#10
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Well I guess the bluebox could provide quite a bit of a problem. I think I understand what it does not but it seems it also makes the cuffs almost rigid; I have tried a waist chain he has before and the padlock was behind my back. If its behind the back and I cant reach it is another way to get around the bluebox? Is it normal for the padlock to end up behind your back? I have a 28" waist if that matters.

I asked him what kind of padlock he was using and he said its also an Abloy padlock.

I just measured for reference my ankles are 8.25" inches around just on top of the bone.
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#11
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Being new your best decision is to NOT accept the challenge. While life and limb are not at stake it is still a smart idea to pass on this one. ASSA, retro box abloy padlock, that is tough for an experienced performer let alone someone new.

I am not discouraging you, just my opinion.
Michael Lee 12 Jan 2011
#12
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
This is a Tough one ! a few Yrs ago Staley Palm & Larry Weeks saw me effect a unique one of a kind Challenge escape out a pair of S&W cuffs contained in a NY sheriffs blue box locked with a challengers master padlock..

Yes I did beat this Challenge ...So the Bottom is can it be done Yes I did it !

But I would never attempt it again.. Very painful...and Not Easy.

ANONY- If it is a legit challenge as I was confronted with then all restraints , locks and chain will be available for you to look over & test to see that all components are in Working order.

To this day it never ceases to amaze me at Just how many times even Houdini was stumped because he failed to once over thourghly the restraints that he was going to be restrained in....sadly Harry should have headed these words "Trust No one"

Personally you sound like a friendly young /Novice new to the escape game.

IMHO I would Study Everything you can get your hands on , read , read and read somemore and expermintation...
Spend many, many hrs at the work bench learning the How's & Why locks work and how to Compromise them... Purchase cheap handcuffs take them apart and attempt to understand what make them tick.

Escapes should never be attempted with out a fast thinking Crew off assistants with you , they need to be made aware of what can go wrong and what to do .each one of them has to be sharp and fast thinking on there toes. also each should be paid quite well as your wellbeing is in there hands.

Until that time I would certinally Not even think of attempting any form of a Challenge as at this point in time , the cash really does not matter...at this stage its all about study and getting a Solid foundation in the escape Arts , if your not ready to dedicate a good 10-15 yrs to the study of your craft before beginning to accebt real world challenges then the field of escape may not be for you

I wish you the Best


Michael Lee
www.michaelleemagic.com
Anonymous 12 Jan 2011
#13
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Thanks for the response but I do really want to try this. It just a friendly thing its nothing serious. I can pick standard handcuffs in about a minute even double locked. I dont think a total of 12 hours in these cuffs will be bad if I fail completly. My questions more specially are:

1. What are some methods I can use/research to bypass/pick the handcuffs, blue box, leg irons, etc.

2. Is it feasible to think I can slip the leg irons off both ankles? Somebody mentioned tightness so I asked and was told they will be snug but not tight. I guess just enough to allow the ankle to flex without restriction. I was also told that it would be on my bare ankle I could not wear socks or boots or anything like that. I was told basically said the metal will be touching the skin.

3. Is the padlock normally placed behind the back when the blue box is used with a waist chain? If so is there anyway to get to it?

4. Is 12 hours in these things so uncomfortable thats its not bearable?

5. Is walking in the leg irons easy if I do get stuck for the full time?

Anonymous 13 Jan 2011
#14
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Anyone have any help on this one?
MICHAEL LEE 13 Jan 2011
#15
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
I would READ then read again what i have written ...What you getting here for FREE is sound Real world advice, I think the words your searching for are... 'Thank You "

The last thing you want to experience is 12 hrs restrained ..Should anything happen to you,, it makes all escapist look bad.

Unless you have Experienced people around you for the entire 12 hrs ...you should aviod this

Most people these day don't have a 12 second attention span let alone 12 hrs ...Period !...Let this go !!!!

MICHAEL LEE
Chufu 14 Jan 2011
#16
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
The advice given here is the most sound advice you are going to get. There are people here who are experts on the subject of cuffs, escapes and challenge.
There are two ways to learn. Listen to the wise council given or fail the escape because your not ready. This may not be on a stage with an audience but when an if it is will you learn from the experts who are trying to help you?
Or will you fail in front of an audience?
We all have escape situations we are not ready for. That's why people study, practice and plan.
If you have any intention of being an escape artist, doing it right is important. Norm
Anonymous 14 Jan 2011
#17
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
I do thank everyone that has posted on this thread in the way of advice.

I head your warnings but this is just for fun not in front of audience. I do not plan on making a career out of it I just wanted some specifics and pointers on doing the actual escape which I asked previously. I have never seen these cuffs before so I dont know how easy or difficult they are to pick or shim.

Thanks
Expert Handcuff Picker 14 Jan 2011
#18
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Long story short:


Abloy is a high-security lock / nearly impossible to pick by itself. Worse while you're wearing it.

Assa (or Medeco) as would be on the cuffs are also high-security locks. They were designed for crafty criminals who may have some lock knowledge.

This forum is comprised of some of the best restraint manipulators on the planet, bluntly, what you are being told is that you will virtually fail this attempt. An analogy to what you wish to challenge yourself with, is like a toddler taking his first step today, and then making an attempt to scale the Andes Mountains tomorrow. OK?

Practice with regular restraints first!!!

Good luck -
Edgeplay_Cgo 15 Jan 2011
#19
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Since you're determined to do this stunt, I have a couple of suggestions.

First try it with regular S&W cuffs and leg irons and a pickable padlock. And have a spotter on hand to bust you loose if you fail.

Second, try the punishment scene on your own, again with a safety spotter to release you if everything goes in the pot. You may decide you don't want to risk the default scene, or you may decide it is no big deal.

In any event, I would have a safety spotter on hand with absolute authority to stop the stunt and release you, including from the default scene, if you are judged to be in danger.

Martin 15 Jan 2011
#20
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Hi,

I don't think "Anonymous" is into an escape performance here. So if he wants to do some punishment-game with a friend - why not? I assume there's an exit path using the key in case it really begins to hurt...

I also assume the friend is talking about the Assa/Medeco Cuffmaxx S&W Cuffs, he probably got them and now is very proud of these ultra-high-security cuffs. But as he wants to use the (also special) Blue box on them, he obviously doesn't trust the Lock enough?! I would say picking it while cuffed (especially the Assa) would already be a really tough challenge.

But regarding the "designed for crafty criminals" - I don't think so. They were designed to be sold, having financial constraints ruining the original design. Following the original patent the attack shown in the next video was not possible - but it would have required a slightly modified lock. The BOA prototypes had it!

To Anonymous: I think if our assumptions about the cuffs are true, your most realistic path of escape is shown in this video from a Security Conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp1Hs09vidY

But there are two really huge drawbacks:
- the presenter shows this with Peerless Cuffs. Those are MUCH easier in this respect. Try it with standard S&W Cuffs (as said, the lock is irrelevant here) and you will notice it requires really some impact to get the double lock out. This will hurt! You and possibly also the cuffs depending on the used surface. It might even be impossible if the cuffs spring is too stiff.
- If the cuffs are attached to a belly chain it is even harder, if not impossible to do, depending on the way the cuffs are attached. The Blue Box doesn't really make it better, too - even though it does not prevent the attack.

My suggestion: If you manage to use the method shown above on standard S&W cuffs talk him into leaving out the blue box. Tell him "if the locks are THAT good, why not let me try the cuffs alone?". He can't expect more for $50 - and it also makes the punishment of keeping them on a little more realistic... If he uses Medeco you COULD also try picking, but if you never picked a Medeco M3 camlock before I assume you will not be able to do it.

Regarding the rest: yes, it is normal for the padlock to end up in the back. If done right you can't access it. Which doesn't matter as you won't be able to pick an Abloy padlock anyway. So even if you escape the cuffs the chain will remain on. Regarding the leg irons: slipping out of those is pretty unlikely if they are applied relatively tight. It's more realistic on handcuffs, but S&Ws also are not the best for that. Especially in such a challnge I would assume both will be too tight for you to slip out.

Martin
Anonymous 28 Jan 2011
#21
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Thanks to all those who have responded. I appreciate your time. Sorry I havent had time to respond in a while.

I asked him loose the BlueBox and he said no its how the cuffs attach to the waist chain. He also said I just have to get both hand and both ankles out for an escape the bluebox and waist chain can still be on. So it looks like if Im going to try it; its all or none. He did also confirm its the smith and wesson cuffs with the ASSA locks. I did as a couple suggested and tried it with some regular cuffs and I can open those with ease with a paper clip even behind my back. I dont have a pair of ankle cuffs so I cant try that but it looks like the lock is the same. The cuffs I had are Smith and Wesson and I could not smack them hard enough like the video shows to budge the double lock. I actually smacked on so hard it I could swear it tightened one notch but the double lock remained. I can easily wear the handcuffs for the time alloted if I were to fail and I dont think the ankle cuffs will be a problem nor the waist chain.

Are there any other methods to attacking the cuffs if the bluebox is on. Can I possibly get the bluebox off the waist chain somehow? I will take your word for it that the padlock is not something Im going to get open besisdes it sounds like it will behind my back from what you guys describe.

As far as the ankle cuffs I know you guys have said they will be hard to slip off. Is it possible if I take my socks and shoes off then try they will come off? I have pretty small ankles so Im figuring my ankles are probably smaller than the smallest setting on the cuffs. It also looks like from my research on the internet the smith and wesson ankle ones are more oval which seems to make it easier I would think. The only thing I see as a problem is possibly the width of my ankle bone being too wide.
Dorson 28 Jan 2011
#22
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Does the old saying about there are bold pilots and old pilots, but there are no old bold pilots mean anything to you?
Anonymous 28 Jan 2011
#23
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Leg-irons cannot be "slipped", even if applied relatively loosely, due to the anatomy of the rear foot. So, if your anatomy is intact, which I hope, slipping leg-irons is not an option.
Anonymous 28 Jan 2011
#24
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
You maybe over looking the fact that the ASSA lock is a pin tumbler, like a door lock for lack of easier explaination, and can not be opened with a simple paperclip.
Chufu 28 Jan 2011
#25
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Dear Anonymous,
I would like to point out a few things for you. First is anonymous. No one knows who you are. These cuffs and items are not antique out of date cuffs they are items in use today. So to post the information would not be wise at all. Most good escape artist are handcuffed by the police all the time and will not offend the police by making that information public. The police hate it and rightly so. I realize some post film of how to escape from police handcuffs but these people are a curse to our craft.
Second there is the fact that you are not an escape artist and you dont want to be one. Even if you were a student of the art you would have to learn other things before you learned security cuffs. Being anonymous and wanting this information for fun is why you wont get the information that you are looking for.
I am sure this is not the answer that you want but it is the facts about your situation.
Norm
osper2004 04 Mar 2018
#26
I read the site off and on and have a question. I can do simple escapes, locking picking etc.

My friend has challenged me to escape from Smith and Wesson Model 1900 Leg Irons with a "special" lock, a waist chain, a blue box, and smith and wesson model 100 hand cuffs with with a "special" lock. Is it possible to do this? Am I nuts for trying he wont show me the cuffs until I agree to it. What type of lock is this? He said they are production cuffs.

I have picked plenty of handcuffs before with relative ease. Although I have never had a pair of Leg Irons on I have very small ankles and I think with the shape of the Smith and Wesson's I should be able to slip them off my ankle with ease.
Did you take the challenge? Did you escape. Where your hands behind your back. If you did not escape how long where you cuffed. Did you document with video or pics?
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