S&W and Peerless Quality Control Lacking

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

Johnny,
I had the same problem with the peerless 700. i had to send them back because one of the springs broke in one of the cuffs. when they came back they had the same drag issue your talking about. i watched a video on how its made about smith & wesson cuffs and towards the end i believe they set the cuff up on a round piece of steel bigger than the cuff opening and then tap the double strands to open the cuff up a little bit. i did this to mine and they now work pretty good. If you don't understand what im saying Cuz i suck at explaining stuff, go to youtube and type in how it's made handcuffs and watch the video. hopefully it works for you and you can save on shipping costs. good luck.

Adam

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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I guess I was somewhat spoiled with the English made Hiatt's that I've owned for some time. The tolerances are top notch, and there is absolutely no issue with finish or smoothness of action.

Either way, NIJ approved cuffs should have a high level of quality control.

I am disappointed that two US manufactured cuffs would have such defects, when they're the only new US manufactured cuffs I've bought so far. 0/2 isn't so good.

I am always willing to pay a premium for quality goods. That's why I avoid "Made in China" like the plague. However, if S&W and Peerless are going to produce the same junk as "Valour" and "Fury," well... Then I guess people may as well buy the $5.00 Chinese cuff.

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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Also, the S&W 100's have so much play in the single strand/double strand rivet that the single strand will actually hit the outer plate. The single strand won't actually go into the channel if at any extreme unless it's centred. There is no reason, except poor quality control and cheapness of manufacture, to have moving parts not line up.

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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Am I bitching? I guess I am. I hope Peerless and S&W reads this. Their quality control is non-existent, and I may as well buy Chinese if I want junk.

My collection will eventually focus on older models anyhow, so it's all moot anyhow at this point.

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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Have you tried the Safariland, or the CTS cuffs? I'm wondering how those stack up.

Tim

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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I too have noticed a drop in quality of workmanship,
Another pet-hate of mine is The ratchet drop-through bars,
these tend to hit the cheek-plates before entering the cuffs
noticable on the Peerless colour plated cuffs as it takes part of the coating off
at ither side of the cheek-plates
seems to be a common issue, again down to quality-control,
If anybody has these issue do share

I prefer TCH Handcuffs - manufactured to Hiatt quality
You can't go wrong

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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Did the tapping the double strand work out for you, or did you not try it?

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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I haven't tried tapping it.
What would I acheive by doing this?
Would it solve the over-lapping issues

It's a common problem Iv'e mostly discoverd with the
Smith & Wesson Cuffs

Anybody else notice these issues?

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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It would fix the issue of the single strand dragging when they key is turned

S&W and Peerless quality control is a joke.

Added a brand new, factory direct pair of S&W 100P's to the mix. The pawl pin was only 3/4 punched through the plates on one cuff. Essentially it didn't actually enter the outer "housing" plate at all. With a hammer, a punch, and some carefully directed blows, I was able to seat the pin into the outer cuff body properly. I shouldn't have to do this, but since I'm shipping and receiving from Canada, shipping costs do come into play. I won't ship the cuffs back down to have 'em tap the pin in just like I did, which is exactly what they'd probably do.

And now comes Peerless model 700. One cuff will drag the ratchet on the pawl teeth even if fully unlocked (key turned fully open). Why? It's because there is excessive play in the rivet between single and double strand. It allows the single strand to not maintain tolerance with the lock pawl. This problem I cannot fix, and as such they will be returned to Peerless for (hopefully) a replacement.

Two cuffs, from two different manufacturers, with problems that essentially fail the NIJ standards. Is there a "reject bin" where bad cuffs are sent to Canada? When all is said and done, shipping the Peerless will cost me more time and money than the cuffs are worth, but that's the way it is I guess.

End of rant.

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bought smith and wesson 100p from a different shop and have the same problem with the overlapping and hitting the body and therefore not locking every time. also have a pair of smith and wesson model 90 and exact same problem on the same cuff (right hand). plus safariland are the original hiatt handcuffs just by a different manufacturer. and the TCH handcuffs are hiatt standard because they were started up by someone that was in charge or owned hiatt, and are made in the same factory in birmingham UK. basically they are hiatts