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dancingcane 06 Oct 2011

It's a new joke in ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... SS:DE:1123

orig GERMANY GERMAN CLEJUSO gestapo stazi heavyweight leg irons handcuffs KEY

gestapo ? Cuffs made after 1945
stazi (stasi)? organisation in East Germany, cuffs come from West Germany
leg irons? nothing, the clejuso legcuff ist a cuff with barrel key
handcuffs key ? its rightly

best

Jens with smile

Jaycee 06 Oct 2011

I visit this forum to learn about handcuffs and various restraints. I've been a quiet observer for years. It seems lately that potshots and name calling and just out right rudeness has taken it over. I do not personally know Joe Tanner aka retired again. So what I say is just personal observation. It seems to me that a great deal of people enjoy calling him out on his prices and items he sells on ebay. I have purchased from him before and the quality of what I purchased was well worth what I paid.

I honestly would like to see this forum return to its prior state, that of information, pictures, advice, and discussions related to advancing knowledge of handcuffs, and various restraints for the novice like myself.

I'd like to thank Joe for spending countless hours posting recent auctions and providing me with a great place to learn from other collectors.

Although I don't personally know anyone on this forum. I'd like to thank those who share their knowledge.

Jens 06 Oct 2011

Then he is to remain objective in its offerings and write the truth!
Is as if Galileo would write in an offer, earth, disc!

Ian McColl 06 Oct 2011

There have been two auctions with a title which was worded (oddly) and some other collectors emailed me about it, for discussion purposes I guess.

The way I look at it, these words in a title are designed to aid, draw attend or assist in the search engine in locating an item of interest. (quiet clever actually as we are speaking about it here)

A (poor) example might be putting up the title as
"apple tardis talkie hardwired antique bell'
and what you are actually bidding on is a telephone.

In a recent neck collar auction, the actual description never said Hiatt. but due to the name being in the title, any search for similar items brought it up.

Picking on people is just a silly as bring up the stupid name 'darcy" over and over and over and over and over.

Ian

coldsteelcuffs 06 Oct 2011

I've always believed that our minds are like parachutes; they work best if the both open !

Joe Tanner is above board. In my opinion he is a well respected knowledge of restraints, handcuffs and related items.

Some people need to keep their petty grievances, nonsense and insults off this forum.

If you think your as educated as Joe than put up or shut up !

He utilized the eBay search engine like it should be utilized. Using Key words to attract a buyer. It may seem like jumble but it serves a purpose to get a buyer curious enough to look at his items.

As for his prices. I have an old saying. There are buttocks for every seat and that's not degrading anyone. What Joe believes the value of an item to be is how he lists it. I've respected and bought from him since 1994. Then and now I would imagine he would and could work with serious collectors on pricing and payment plans.

When he used to market his sales brochure he would allow lay aways for people wishing to buy there next nicer item.

Don't knock people or Joe. Everyone's blood runs Red. Contribute to this forum with knowledge about restraints/handcuffs or ask a valid question and be gifted in the education you may achieve.

A bunch of new know it alls on this forum pass along bad information and don't have the experience of the real collectors here.

So please be cordial on this forum. Just my 2 cents worth.

tim71 07 Oct 2011

I see Joe's auctions as this. Are they priced cheap? No, but it appears that you are getting supreme merchandise from a guy who's been around the game for quite a while.

I'd love to obtain some of his items as soon as I can swing it.

Tim

Atame 07 Oct 2011

Keyword-Spamming is prohibited at eBay even for deserved handcuff experts.

BTW: I miss the word "Houdini" in the title .

Regards,
Guenter

dancingcane 07 Oct 2011

I am glad that this thread has not been removed. Using it is very important here separates the wheat from the chaff. In Ebay, there are enough people who lure buyers with bogus offers and then they are in the faith to buy something valuable. "DDR" cuffs are sold there as Thrird Reich. Retro Indians, aged in salt water as the original for $ 650 - sold. Heinrich Hagge "Deutsche Polizei" as WW II sells. That can not be. If the headline is a fake already, what should I still be in the text? I also think Joe Tanner will be able to sell their items without fancy headline, or is it him already so bad? This will display the honest seller. want to make money all, but really means. He is just one example. Prager I do not want him, I denounce the method to distinguish, the collector of bad sellers. Even the small collector good product, the possibility for a fair price to have become, and the collector can not collectors pages or for example has handcuff.org.

best

Jens

Atame 07 Oct 2011

Ethics sacrificed for profit once again. Unreasonably summoning the ghosts of Germany's infamous past (3rd Reich and GDR) just to make some extra bucks could also be seen as a punch in the face of every victim of the Nazi and the communistic East German regime.

Regards,
Guenter

dancingcane 08 Oct 2011

#10

Guenter, thats right, and this is a shame!!

best

Jens

Houdini's Mailman 08 Oct 2011

#11

There's only one thing more scary than Zombies --- Nazi-Zombies!

That said, I don't think it's right to label auctions something they are not. It's just inaccurate, and TRUE collectors shouldn't need to do that. An auction title is more than just an advertisement.

But guys, loosen up a little here.

coldsteelcuffs 08 Oct 2011

#12

Hi Guenther,

My understanding of eBay Selling Policy is that you can't use BRAND names as a Keyword to attract people to your listings.

Such an eBay listing Title might read:

"OLD HANDCUFFS DARBY STYLE MAYBE HIATTS OR CHUB ??"

That's the type of KEYWORDS that eBay doesn't allow in it's listings.

Another example would be: " Wristwatch 4 Sale Might be ROLEX ??"

No offense but I think you might mis-understand the Selling Policy!

Jack.Tanis 08 Oct 2011

#13

Hello,

...is a simple, literal, straightforward concept, which, as Guenter points out, it prohibited completely on eBay. That certain persons, one or more of them possibly known on this Forum, routinely do it, doesn't alter eBay policy, which may be read at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sea ... ml#keyword . Presumably, you see "search-manipulation" in the URL.

My understanding of eBay selling policy comes from eBay's own policy pages. One may search the help pages or use the A-Z index, in addition to other means of accurately ascertaining eBay policy. Something everyone ought know about eBay, if nothing else, is that individual interpretations don't count.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

joe tanner 08 Oct 2011

#14

------- hi all !! some good comments here & some STUPID ones also.... JENS - what is your problem ??? must have a thorn up your ass -- AH i know - you are pissed at me because i placed you on my EBAY - BLOCKED BIDDER - LIST.... now in almost 40 years of doing mail order business and sending well over 2,000 +++ packages to FOREIGN COUNTRIES, i can count on ONE HAND the number of LOST packages... i am confident that all packages arrived to the receiver including YOURS !!! you got the CUFFS & you got YOUR $$$ back.... i guess you can't beat that... i have dealt with 1,000's & 1,000's of people & i have learned for the most part to tell the good from the bad.... a GOOD person would have at LEAST - TRIED - to SPLIT the loss !!!! ---------------- now as to MY listings -- EBAY has (not officially) decided that to STOP SPAMMING is no longer in THEIR best interest.... they WANT a seller to use KEY words in the title to attract possible buyers -- IE :: STAZI -- maybe a STAZI collector who has NEVER really looked at HANDCUFFS -- MAY -- just decide to click into the item & maybe BUY the item - EVEN IF IT IS NOT A STAZI ITEM.... do i state in the description that it is a STAZI item -- NO !! why in the hell do you think that EBAY now has ADDED (allowed) -- 25 addtitional CHARACTERS for sellers to make more WORDS in their HEADING...... maybe a collector of SPURS never thought about handcuffs -- well they click into an item that has HANDCUFFS - SPURS in the heading --- but it is JUST A HANDCUFF --- they can click right back out -- but then again - they may also decide to BUY !! their first set of handcuffs.... keep the trash coming as i know you will.... joe

dancingcane 08 Oct 2011

#15

Hello Joe, a question.... how old are you? Your last post is a massage from a silly little boy! You have no RESPECT to other people! Your word is the right, the one and only, you don't accept other minds! SHAME

I've seen your new offer in ebay, your neck collar, now you belive ( in big letter ) it's a Hiatt England, I believe BIG letters for more money from unknow people!!!!

My problem, you don't say the right in many more offers in your name. It's a shame for all rightly collectors do all over the world.

best

Jens

joe tanner 08 Oct 2011

#16

JENS :: say & think what you want.....from your standpoint - maybe i had to write from a 5 year olds point of view and wording SO THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IT !! ut alas - you did not !! what you wrote really has no meaning.. what i wrote was just an VALID explanation -- right or wrong -- i guess the old sayings of -- buyer beware - buyer know what you are bidding on or buying -- if you don't know what you are buying - DON'T BUY -- etc etc are just things that people say just for the heck of it & mean nothing.... certainly, sellers should be as honest as they can be, but going by YOU - the buyer has NONE ! joe

Anonymous 08 Oct 2011

#17

Translations to english suck. FYI

coldsteelcuffs 09 Oct 2011

#18

Dear Mr. Tanis,

What I wrote was accurate according to the eBay selling policy. No personal interpretation needed unless you can't understand English.

eBay's Description

Keyword spamming
Keyword spamming is when people use words or details (such as brands, item condition, model names, pop culture terms, product names, style, and type) that have nothing to do with their items so that their listings will show up in search results. Since this clutters eBay and makes buying and selling more difficult, we don't allow keyword spamming (see also brand names).

Jack.Tanis 09 Oct 2011

#19

Dear coldsteelcuffs,

You printed only a small part of eBay's policy, omitting the rest. Here is the entire policy.

Keyword spamming

Keyword spamming is when people use words or details (such as brands, item condition, model names, pop culture terms, product names, style, and type) that have nothing to do with their items so that their listings will show up in search results. Since this clutters eBay and makes buying and selling more difficult, we don't allow keyword spamming (see also brand names).

Allowed

All the words in your listing have to be accurate and refer only to the item for sale.

For lot listings, you can specify all the different items in the lot. For example, "This lot includes 2 pairs of shoes, 2 shirts, 1 pair of pants, 3 pairs of shorts, and a jacket."

You can use synonyms to describe an item. For example, you can call a handbag a purse.

Not allowed

Calling out similaritiesfor example, when selling a DVD, don't talk about Blu-ray discs.

Comparisons between products aren't allowed. For example, you can't say things like "shirt not pants" or "video not Nano."

Descriptions that promote items in other listings. For example, a listing for shoes can't say things like, "Check out my other listings for hats, shirts, pants, coats, gloves, and underwear."

Hiding unrelated keywords in a listing by using white-on-white text, tiny fonts, or HTML or JavaScript code.

Keywords in any part of a listing that aren't related to the item you're selling. Here are some examples:

If you're selling a shirt, the title can't say "Nike shirt size M shoes, hat, shorts."

If you're selling an MP3 player, the listing description can't have keywords like "purse, shoes, baseball hat, DVD, toys, cell phone," etc.

Words with question marks (such as "carved wood dresser antique?"). If you're not sure about a detail, don't call it out at all because doing so can be misleading.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

Anonymous 09 Oct 2011

#20

Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You

joe tanner 09 Oct 2011

#21

hey guys ::: i agree whole heartedly that EBAY has rules & regs about spamming, but they don't ENFORCE them..... myself, i think it is bull crap that they even have spamming rules & guidelines and many many other non sense rules like not allowing RAILROAD locks & keys to be sold on EBAY...but yet, sellers list them on EBAY all the time..... until they enforce ALL rules & guidlines 100% the SAME for ALL sellers, i will bend them some like millions of other sellers do... got to keep up with the JONESES as they say as long as i am not hurting anybody !!! joe

dancingcane 09 Oct 2011

#22

Hello Jack, I do want to say what coldsteelcuff .......
For example, I have a Handcuff from Asia, it is selling a difference whether I write peerlessstyle, U.S. police style or I think it is not marked Peerless!

Hello Joe, blocked bidder, no problem, so it falls not into temptation. It may be that you could make the 40-year so only the people become smarter. A lot has happened in the history of the world. Only the warranty is world wide world is not the same. I honestly do not know why you do not play and use these keywords you need. And there is a saying in Germany: "Who cries (big letters) is wrong!"
Everything cries out for fair play. But when it comes to the butt is pulled. Then you make to the king.
You can buy, or not. Only the unknow collector buys because of the "big Joe Tanner" something tells him what he sells. Names can also fade, think about it once again before you're spot on your hind legs and yell
Ebay complaints are often unsuccessful, the just want to make money, and like or unlike in feedback is outside of North America no matter!

best

Jens

Atame 09 Oct 2011

#23

One thing to think about. What would you, as Americans say, if I e.g. offer old Russian handcuffs at eBay this way:

Titel "COMMUNIST handcuffs, KGB, Vietcong, Vietnam, Nam, torture".

And also add to the item description: " maybe these cuffs were used in Nam by the Vietcong to restrain and torture US POWs".

The auction would get some extra attention, but you would say it's a shame, it's tasteless, wouldn't you?

Regards,
Guenter

Jack.Tanis 09 Oct 2011

#24

Hello,

My eBay activity over the past several years has been as a buyer only. I've bought a book or two, a CD or two and some veterinary medication.

I dislike eBay and don't defend anything about it. eBay is arbitrary, capricious, foolish, draconian and greedy. Sellers are guilty of any accusations made by buyers until proven innocent. If someone wants to go crazy, becoming an eBay seller is a giant first step to take.

That stated, I do know eBay policy and where to find it on the eBay site. I also know much of not most eBay policy was conceived and written by idiots for idiots, is illogical and is an absolute affront to the intelligence of anyone with half a brain. All this likely is due to eBay putting itself unconscionably ahead of its users.

When this thread began, I felt it would not and could not lead anywhere good. And, like most things in this day and age, it hasn't. That is the distasteful shame.

Cheers,

Jack
http://www.editing.org.uk/tanis/collectibles.htm

Chris 09 Oct 2011

#25

I totally agree with Jack here. I have my own opinion with certain people in the collecting world, JT is no exception, but i choose to keep it to myself. He does get some fantastic stuff, and if you really want something from him, buy it after doing your own research on it first, as he said BUYER BEWARE. However i do find it distasteful to associate an item with a particularly bad period of history if the said item has no proven provenance. Just my 2 cents worth.....oh, and that is why i am offering a very nice pair of Chubb Escort cuffs here with one key and one pair of inserts, no history given or implied for the not unreasonable price of $500.00 CAN.....!. Chris

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#26

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coldsteelcuffs 10 Oct 2011

#27

Well at least Mr. Tanis has made two admissions of fact. He doesn't sell on eBay.. But he is so consumed with eBay policy on selling he can tell every seller how it's supposed to be done.

As both a Seller and buyer I can tell you exactly what Joe Tanner said is true; use as many words to get someone to look at your auction. That's what a smart seller does and eBay can't police every auction and if they did they would find their rules being ignored over and over and over and over and over again !!

Secondly Mr. Tanis wrote that the eBay rules were written my idiots for idiots! I guess that includes Buyers as well as sellers.

I don't mind being called an idiot if I profit from all the other idiots.

I do know that a number of times I've witnessed on this forum that when Mr. Tanis is involved in a "conversation"; it usually runs into the gutter with his contributions to the discussion! It seems to me that he NEEDS to express that he is right or the most knowledgeable on all subjects here and he has to have the last word !

I'm very happy to agree that we don't all agree with each other. And I remain open that I can learn something new everyday.

To all the forum participants; my wish is for you all to remain Well in your life as well as your pursuits.