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Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#1
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Blackburn 09 Oct 2011
#2
post some pics or give an ebay item number.

Also how much do they weigh?
Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#3
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
I only have a gram scale, but the conversion worked out to 10.135 oz. vs. 9.044 oz. for the newer cuffs. (That was 287.35g vs. 258.4, BTW.)

The e-bay # is 250897851897, but the picture was so bad I almost passed it by. You'll notice they went dirt cheap. No one else could make it out either.

I'll need to take a couple pics and figure out how to post them here...
Paul Davies 09 Oct 2011
#4
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
To post a photo, start a free Photobucket account and upload you photos. When you are logged in there AND here you will see thumbnails of your photos at the bottom of this page. You can then cut and paste the URL of your image into these messages and your photo will magically appear.
Paul
Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#5
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Got the pictures into photobucket, but can't figure how to attach them to my text.

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Blackburn 09 Oct 2011
#6
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Blackburn 09 Oct 2011
#7
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Check your email, I try to explain the pic posting process
Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#8
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Problem is, I have no idea how to cut and paste. I can handle e-mail, but that's about it for my computer literacy.
You can see, if you can bring up the photo, that they have the early style logo. They're also pictured above a later set of model 3s for comparison.




Blackburn 09 Oct 2011
#9
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Isn't the bottom pair a pre-300. It doen't appear to have the trademark stamp like the other top model 3
Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#10
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Yes, it's pre-300. I was told by the previous owner that it's 70s vintage, but I never checked the serial number to confirm. It's a later number with the # symbol prefixing the serial number, #238154.
Blackburn 09 Oct 2011
#11
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Well Charlie,
There is your answer. One is a model 3 with the round trademark stamp, and the other cuff is a 300 or pre-300 not a model 3. Models 3's are more rare than 300's or pre 300's( a 300 that doesn't say model 300). They are not super rare and are somewhat harder to find in nickel instead of blued. A model 3 generally has real strong springs and a great action. You didn't do bad for the selling price in my opinion.

Welcome to collecting.
Charlie_T 09 Oct 2011
#12
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
Thanks for your help.

Maybe you'd know more about this than I do. I thought that the model 3s started out with the old style logo, then sometime in the late 50s/early 60s the logo was simplified such that the 3 arms stopped looking as much like handcuff bows and became just curved lines, then the logo was dropped entirely, but they didn't start designating them model 300 until the late 70s/early 80s.

I'm basing this on photos I've seen, not any official timeline.Worrying about petty details will drive you crazy, but what else is collecting about?
tim71 09 Oct 2011
#13
I just bought an early pair of Peerless model 3s on e-bay.
They are clearly model 3s, but have no serial number. Peerless advises that they may be a pre-production model, but don't know for sure. They may just be a factory error.
Compared to a 1970s(?) pair, they are heavier. The metal is very slightly thicker overall, including the chain and swivels as well as the cheekplates and bows. Build quality and what's left of the blued finish remind me of model 2s. The springs are quite stiff, and the ratchet teeth are very cleanly cut.
Has anyone run across anything similar? I don't know if I have a true rarity or not.

(BTW, after lurking as a guest for months, I signed up tonight. Hello, all!)
The change to the thinner pre-300 coincided with a factory move. There's an excellent old thread that details all the changes of peerless cuffs and I'll try to find it.

I love the model 3s as Justin can tell you. They are some of the best quality (in my opinion) modern cuffs made. I just snagged a nickel pair for $15.00 and that's after being outbid on a pair that went to 123.00 a while back so I'm happy as well.

Who knows about the serial number or lack thereof. I've got a pair of pre-300s with the # before the serial number but has Mass. abreviated instead of MA and Peerless has no record of anything like that but they said these mystery pairs show up from time to time.

Nice find and welcome to collecting.

Tim