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Rare heavy German (fka Russian Prison) handcuffs - who has one?

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Atame 13 Feb 2012
#1
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

holstcollection 13 Feb 2012
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Atame 13 Feb 2012
#3
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Gee, Lars, how could I forget you?! Sorry! And thanks for showing your nice collectible here!

Best regards,
Guenter
Chris Gower 14 Feb 2012
#4
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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I have one in my collection (ex Stan Willis collection).
Chris
Howy 14 Feb 2012
#5
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Nice

Do they double-lock?

Howy
Cincy
Nils 14 Feb 2012
#6
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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The imprinted number and the key remind me of the models used in East Germany after 1945.

My working theory would be they are late WW 2, and they served as a basis for the development of the GDR cuffs. The GDR, even though claiming they were an "antifascist state", took over many 3rd Reich customs (uniforms, etc.). The steel helmet used by their army was in fact a late WW2 design that was never implemented during the war, but was used in the East until 1989.

By the way: STASI meant Staatssicherheit (state security) in East Germany after WW2 up to 1989; GESTAPO geheime Staatspolizei (secret state police) in Nazi Germany up to 1945. Both were essentially criminal organizations.

My guess is they were developed as a specific prison handcuff, but the model didn't make it much beyond the prototype stage.

Nils
holstcollection 14 Feb 2012
#7
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Hi Nils,

You have a very interesting theory that makes a lot of sense.

You say these cuffs were consequently inherited from the 3rd Reich. That also would explain why the E German aluminium cuffs adopted the same lock construction, they didn't have to invent it themselves. The old theory that they are Russian (or rather from the Soviet Union) doesnt make sense as they are just too good to be made there.

Cincy asked if the double lock. The answer is yes. They double lock by turning the key anti-clockwise and the second pawl secures the cuff. This is by the way a weakness in the construction. The double lock function will break if too much pressure is put to the bow when double locked. Its the same problem for the E German aluminium cuffs. Im sure some of you recognize this problem.

Lars








Atame 14 Feb 2012
#8
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Hello Lars,

these handcuffs are surely not Russian AFAIK Michael Busch accidentally created the "myth" Russian origin, because he bought the very first piece known to the online collector-society from a Russian seller.

I believe this piece was taken to Russia after World War II and originally made in Germany during the 1930s or 1940s. There are several reasons opposing Russian origin. I know of only nine of these models, seven handcuffs and two combinations. Six of them certainly appeared in former GDR federal states. The massive heavy weight of these handcuffs is very atypical of Russian models, resembling instead vintage German restraints, e.g. the Berliner or Dortmunder handcuffs or the Horst Stein series.

In discussions with two Russian collectors, neither believed that such handcuffs ever were manufactured in their country. Indeed, one told me that leg irons and handcuff-leg iron combinations have been banned in Russia since the Russian Revolution in October 1917.

Best regards,
Guenter
Michael Busch 15 Feb 2012
#9
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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It is nice to see that from time to time another discussion about these handcuffs comes up, and I thought I also drop in a line.

At the end of WW II the products of the August Schwarz company had been around for more than two decades with minor changes over the years. The big advantage of these cuffs was that they were of the swing-through or later swing-beside pattern, they were easy to handle, easy to carry on the officer, and other manufacturers at that time copied the style (e.g. Otto SchlΓΌter, Rostock). For prison and transport situations there were Berliners and the so-called Horst Stein handcuffs around (which, as we know, was not made by the Horst Stein Company (which was founded after WWII!) but by a manufacturer who until today is unknown).

The question that I ask me and that I ask you is: why should a company or inventor in Germany before the end of WW II have the idea to bring out a product that regarding its mechanism is by far inferior to the cuffs that are already in use? A handcuff that always needs to be opened with the key before being applied? A handcuff that only has the outer shape of a swing-through cuff but does not have its advantages?

After WWII both Russia and the USA had a wide influence on the parts of Germany that they had under control, and what we call technology transfer could be seen in many fields. A good example for this are the guns that were used in the east and west German armies and police after WWII. In eastern Germany these were the Makarov pistol and the AK-47, and when my father served in the west German army at the end of the 1950s the guns he was issued were the Colt 1911 and the .30 M1 carbine. To me it is not unthinkable that also handcuffs from the Soviet union might have made their way to Germany and served as a pattern for the three GDR cuffs that were to come later.

Besides this I do not at all think that the cuffs in question resemble vintage German restraints, e.g. the Berliner or Dortmunder handcuffs or the Horst Stein series. Berliner handcuffs, especially the old ones, are little pieces of art, and the Dortmunder is rather light and is as close to the cuffs in question as an apple is to a hamburger.

To sum this up: we have a number of theories regarding the origin of the cuffs in question, and we have no proof for any of them. We also have no proof against any of them. I will continue to refer to them as "so-called Russian prison handcuff" until more information might turn up.

Just my two cents.

Michael
Tom Gross 15 Feb 2012
#10
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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I seem to recall that we have had at least part of this discussion before, because I remember expressing the opinion that these "So-Called Russian Prison Handcuffs" or "Heavy German Handcuffs" could never have been World War II production, simply because of the huge amount of metal needed (wasted!) in their manufacture. In fact, I consider that they significantly predate World War II, just based on the design. My guess would be '20s; they just have a kind of angular Art Deco look to them.

There is no one whose opinion I respect more than Michael's, but I have come to believe that these handcuffs are probably German, for the reason stated by others, that their quality is too good to be Russian. Having said that, when this discussion began I got out my set of what I'll call here the "Big Monster Handcuffs" and just began looking at them. The quality of these handcuffs is NOT up to the standards of August Schwarz or other popular German brands. But this is explainable without coming to the conclusion that they are Russian. Perhaps the Big Monster Handcuffs were made by a small company, or just an individual inventor in the eastern part of Germany (more about this later). Each set might have been hand-made, because the company was just starting up. The mass manufacturing techniques of the already established companies could not be used. And, because there were superior products available, the Big Monster Handcuffs just never became popular. This would go a long way toward explaining their scarcity today.

Perhaps the Big Monster Handcuffs were just a small product made as a sideline by a company usually making other products. As an example, I could not begin to count the number of .22 rifles I have seen, over the years, made by oddball companies, with names like "Acme Bicycle Company". Any metal-working shop, when business was slow, could use its machines to churn out other products for which there was a demand at the moment, such as a simple .22 rifle. Or a batch of Big Monster Handcuffs. It's conceivable, considering the small number of these cuffs now known to exist, that only one order was ever produced.

As an offshoot of this scenario, consider the part played by personal influence in governmental procurement. Let's pick a city in eastern Germany; Brandenburg for the sake of convenience. Perhaps there was a small metalworking shop in that city, owned by the brother-in-law of the mayor. When the mayor needed to purchase handcuffs for his police department, he gave the contract to his relative. And the brother-in-law had to come up with a design which was not an obvious rip-off of the product of another company.

As a prelude to further discussion, and just as a technical matter, are we absolutely certain that the internal mechanism of the Big Monster Handcuffs is identical to the mechanisms of the East German cuffs? Michael, have you compared X-rays? Not that they need to be absolutely identical. But, for the moment and for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that they are.

I believe that Michael Busch (please correct me if I'm wrong, Michael) has conclusively established that all handcuffs from the GDR era were made in the prison at Brandenburg, by convict labor. It may always remain a mystery as to how the decision was made, in the East German bureaucracy, to put the convicts to work making handcuffs. But, in one way or another, that decision was made. The next question would have been, "Well, what kind of handcuffs will we have them make?"

What happened next might also always remain murky. Maybe some bureaucrat noticed that the assets of a handcuff manufacturer located in the eastern sector of Germany (the former manufacture of the Big Monster Handcuffs) had been seized by the state, and all the dies and molds and presses were available to be moved to the prison. That would be an explanation of the internal parts being absolutely identical. (It would also have a bearing on the fact, as Guenter pointed out, that most extant examples of this model can be traced to that part of Germany which became the GDR.) Or maybe some bureaucrat happened to have a set of the Big Monster Handcuffs and tossed them on a table and said, "Let's copy these, but let's redesign the lock case so that they aren't so heavy and klunky." And somebody else said, "Let's try making them out of aluminum." I'm sure, among the prison population, there was plenty of talent available to redesign such lock case and come up with the GDR models of handcuffs.

There is obviously a lot of conjecture in the foregoing, but I believe that some of the issues raised might explain how the GDR handcuffs could have evolved from the Big Monster Handcuffs, and without any involvement by Russia.


Jack 15 Feb 2012
#11
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Atame 16 Feb 2012
#12
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Thank you Jack but I think that these interesting restraints deserve their very own thread . And I hoped that after another year has passed, new information about them might had come up.

Speaking of information - an interesting thought crossed my mind: couldn't the fact that literally no one seems to know anything about manufacturer or origin of these cuffs support that they are pretty pre WWII and anybody who had to do with their manufacturing is long dead?

Best regards,
Guenter
Vince 17 Feb 2012
#13
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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While I don't have one the "Heavy German" cuffs, I do have two of the "regular" German variations as referenced in the above post, and the one similarity between all these German models of this general style is........
WHAT ON EARTH IS WITH THE "1002" STAMPINGS???

Has anyone ever discussed cuffs/usage with an old german (prison) guard?

Best,
--Vince
Damon Shields 12 Apr 2012
#14
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Here are some photos of the German prison cuffs from ebay a month or so ago. The respective German sellers were very gracious and helpful with photos which seem to show more than a minor difference between the cuffs. It was well worth asking for some additional photos. At first glance they appear to be the same restraint but there are significant differences. Both cuffs are in excellent working condition.

I suspect German manufacture as has been discussed but who knows for whom.

Damon





















Ron Spitz 12 Apr 2012
#15
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Very nice Damon. Do you know anything about the triangle within the circle marking on the hinge of set #1? I have this mark on several pieces. See you in a week.

Ron
Damon Shields 13 Apr 2012
#16
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Thanks Ron. No idea on the circle symbol. I have seen it on other cuffs as well. I am looking forward to seeing everyone at Indy.

Damon
Ron Spitz 13 Apr 2012
#17
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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The hallmark is on a chain come along that came from Germany. I have not checked the rest of the collection. So it seems that it is of German origin. Hopefully some of the other collectors could shed some information on this mark.

Ron
Atame 13 Apr 2012
#18
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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The "1002" as well as the triangle in circle stamp also sometimes appears on GDR handcuffs and chain come alongs. I have a GDR model 1 (non swing thru) in my collection that has both stamps - one on each side of the hinge.

But I haven't got a clue if these are marks of a manufacturer or of a certain institutionor unit that used these restraints.

Best regards,
Guenter
Ron Spitz 14 Apr 2012
#19
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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Thanks Guenter. So the mystery will go on, but we know is German and not Russian.

Ron
Ron Spitz 27 Apr 2012
#20
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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The cuffs marked #2 pictured in Damon's post are now in my collection. The surface looks more like cuff #1 as far as condition. It works fine and is a double lock.

The question I have is in regard to their use in a Russian prison. Assuming they were made in the GDR (1948-1980's) could the use of the term Russian be applied to a prison in the GDR and not necessarily in the Russia itself, since I believe the GDR was considered Russian by West Germany?

Ron
Nils 27 Apr 2012
#21
Hello fellow collectors!



Amazing two auctions for this rare and mysterious model within 10 days. I am really wondering, if even more pieces are coming up now.

So far I do not know many collectors who own this model in fact just me, Michael Busch, one that is/was in the Stan Willis collection and a handcuff plus a combination (the second known combo besides mine please see below), which are in the possession of a German collector, who does not participate in the online community.

Who else has a piece of this model in his collection?

Best regards,
Guenter

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East Germany was definitely a puppet state of the Soviet Union, but under no circumstances would any German have ever considered it "Russia". It was called "Soviet Occupied Zone" (SBZ) after 1945, and some people used to call it that until 1989. There were, in fact, also a lot of Soviet troops and agencies stationed there. It is also probable that quite a number of installations were completely off limits to (East) Germans.