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lauher 19 Feb 2012
#1
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Mark Lyons 19 Feb 2012
#2
Did you really get # 007?
How cool is that?

Thanks for sharing!


mark
O--O
Mark Lyons 19 Feb 2012
#3
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I take it back....upon my second glance, I see it is MODEL # 007.
Everyone gets 007.
Shaken, but not twisted!
Are they serial numbered?

mark
O--O
lauher 19 Feb 2012
#4
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I think the serial number is 1006
Vince 19 Feb 2012
#5
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Congrats to Paul & his company, as a new start-up wether it be food, cars, or "Kuffs" is a mountain of a challenge. The rotating swivel, if for nothing else, would eliminate the "chain bind" issue in standard cuffs.

I REALLY LOVE the "100% made in USA" stampings.

Thanks for updating on these cuffs, er... KUFFS


--Vince
Blackburn 20 Feb 2012
#6
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Joe,
On the keyhole side that is physically closest to the double lock, Do you turn the key clockwise or counter-clockwise to unlock the cuff? I'm assuming it is opposite of the other keyhole, but am not sure. Definitely a nice looking cuff.
lauher 20 Feb 2012
#7
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

The key closest to the double lock turns clockwise to open, the key away from the double lock turns counter clockwise.
Anonymous 20 Feb 2012
#8
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Thanks,
Thats kinda unique and cool. I have one more question. Is this a 3 pawl design inside or a single pawl?
lauher 20 Feb 2012
#9
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

One pawl and they are pretty easy to shim.
Unknown / guest 20 Feb 2012
#10
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

One pawl.
John Goncz 20 Feb 2012
#11
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

The cuffs looks good quality manufacturing although the material that is made out is not posted....

I see a problem with it as when is applied and its getting over twisted and the prisoner screams from the pain... what will you doo?

Unlock the handcuffs or let the guy scream? If you releasing the one side, than the Prisoner can swing that as a "cutting blade" as the worst "nightmare" scenario.

Other hazard: some Scheister will file a Federal Law suit for "Unusual cruel Arrest". I am not sure what the Bums from the NIJ are saying???

Anyway looks nice!!!!
Anonymous3x 20 Feb 2012
#12
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

John , the guy in the video says 100% stainless steel construction.

I agree with you John, (did I just say that?) that the locking swivel screams of potential law suit.
tim71 20 Feb 2012
#13
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Thanks for the good pic Joe. Looks well made and an innovative design although looks like it might be hard for someone to sit in the back of a patrol car with their hands twisted up high behind their back.

Best wishes to this new company and congrats for the innovative design.

Tim
Unknown / guest 20 Feb 2012
#14
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Joe,

Is the finish sandblasted or textured in some way? The finish looks cool.
Unknown / guest 20 Feb 2012
#15
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

More than likely what John means is what grade of stainless. I've messed with steel alot in my other hobby (steel bending, and feats of strength) that I can tell you they vary alot. 303 for instance can be some very good steel mechanical-wise where 420J2 is about some of the worst trash you can get. Has good corrosion resistance but it's crazy soft.

Odds are though that this design is built with some pretty good steel or else that swivel wouldn't hold up under any kind of torque.

Tim
handboeienfreak 20 Feb 2012
#16
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi

nice cuffs can't wait my cuffs arrive

for the way of cuffing it is a good way to cuff someone with their hands twisted
here in the netherlands we do this way of cuffing many years now
only we use hinged cuffs
and hey it is not pretty to sit like that in a patrolcar but you do it yourself
if you be a nice guy / girl you do not have to be cuffed

best

patrick
MrAkela 20 Feb 2012
#17
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I am going out on a limb here but from the different colors there is probably more than one type of steel in use here. The lockcase taking entirely different forces than the link/swivel.
I asked earlier about the internal fizzybits of the swivel but nobody could answer; does the swivel rotate steplessly then lock in any position or are there discrete steps that would indicate a tooth and pawl clutch system?

...or am I going to have to buy my own to find out...
Unknown / guest 20 Feb 2012
#18
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Sorry, previous post was me. The system said I was logged in but still posted as Anon.
Anonymous 20 Feb 2012
#19
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

can these Cuffs/Kuffs be Pried ? with a pry bar and a fulcrum ?
Ian McColl 20 Feb 2012
#20
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I am looking forward to getting a pair of these. They look great and theres a new mechanism to play with. After that they are just the same as other cuffs and have the same problems.
Reading some of the articles on escapes from patrol cars, I suggest better all over training and securing of an individual in the back of a car would accomplish more. The inability to open a backseat door would be a start and a screen between the back and the front.
In the article: ...
LONGVIEW, Wash. A 26-year-old Washington state man managed to escaped from a Department of Corrections car while handcuffed.
The Daily News of Longview reports that Eric Mitchell Lair was arrested Oct. 1 on a felony warrant. He was handcuffed behind his back, but still was able to open the door of the car that was taking him to Cowlitz County jail and run off.................
This is still going to happen unless they are wearing McKenzie Mitts.
Ian
Tim 20 Feb 2012
#21
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Noah,

I just read an article online where the creator talked about having help from a NASA program that is set up to help small business owners overcome tech difficulties. From what I recall, it has no teeth but rather some kinda one-way bearing mechanism.

Best I recall.

I kinda agree with Ian on that better overall techniques would go a long way.

Tim
Ian McColl 20 Feb 2012
#22
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Last week I watched a TV program called "Border security" on Australian customs at our airports. After arrested a guy for drug importation. The TV camera zoomed in on the guys handcuffs wrists and the SAF-LOK cuffs were not deadlocked.

Ian
michael griffin 20 Feb 2012
#23
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

RE: Ian and better securing techniques in the back of cop cars....

I have spent a lot of time with officers in different depts around the country and world and this situation comes up very regularly with basically the same question, "how can we lock them up in the back seat and protect against incident" they go on to say they apply the cuffs sometimes with the mandated 1 finger space rule to avoid lawsuits later, etc. I tell them the best thing you have to ensure your safety transporting them is your one eye. I explain that regardless of the newest cuff, the newest guaranteed pick proof thingy, no matter what the prisoner is locked up in, he doesnt want to be there. You have to keep one eye on him in the mirror, its that little twitch the prisoner makes, that little wrong look in his eye, the little tell tales that you have to be sensitive to other wise you get an episode you dont want and in some cases death to the officers,,,,,COMPLACENCY WILL KILL officers.

I was given a tour of a prison in texas. On one of the desks sat a busted off piece of a 2x4 with the letters on it: D P A M. I said whats that? the officer told me a rookie on the force was part of a call to handle a large prisoner overdosing on angel dust. All the cops including the FNG (f***ing new guy) grabbed a mattress and rushed the man into the corner. Before anyone could stop the rookie he looked around the mattress and CRACK!! lights out, broken 2x4

The next day the officers presented the recovering rookie with a trophy, the 2x4 used on him now inscribed DPAM (Dont Peek Around Matress)

Lesson learned,,,never trust the cuff or restraint,,,,keep one eye open, you might go home that night safe
edgeplayusa 20 Feb 2012
#24
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

The fact that prisoner motion can cause the swivel to ratchet, makes this a lawsuit waiting to happen. Buy yours now. They won't be around long.
Larry 20 Feb 2012
#25
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Maybe someone can answer this: is this perhaps the only cuff that has so much difference between right/left? I don't think of mirrored cuffs as truely different because any part, including locking mechanisms could be flipped over to produce the same mirror.

With the Kuffs, it looks like they would have a different lock in each, and of course keyholes in different places. So, Pratt Combination aside, are there any others with this much variety?
MartinStgt 20 Feb 2012
#26
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi,

the cuffs have two keyholes each. Please note the two keyhole pins! So the cuffs seem to be the same and feature the same locks, of course. The hinge seems to be the only part featuring two different sides.

Alcyon hinged handcuffs have asymmetric hinges, too, so these are the only model known to me with a remarkable difference between right and left, except of the tuffkuffs.

Martin
handcuff1328 21 Feb 2012
#27
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

i think that if you or the person in the cuffs over turns the swivel you will run into really big problems... maybe if the swivel had some sort of locking feature where once you turn the cuffs your desired way you could lock "double lock it" (in theory) so they would not turn anymore.
grenchat 21 Feb 2012
#28
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

As much as I'm all for stricter control of recalcitrant felons, I don't believe that Tuff Kuffs will fly in this land of ambulance chasers. Many departments are reluctant to permit even common hinged handcuffs, and this design is even more restrictive, increasing the chance of shoulder dislocation, etc.

An innovative design, nonetheless.



Michael Busch 21 Feb 2012
#29
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

From an orthopedic surgeon's point of view these handcuffs, when they are used as shown in the video clip, will lead to medical problems sooner or later (my guess is sooner), and I think you better get your pair before they are gone from the market.

Handcuffing a person with the forearms being parallel can be done in two ways. One way is with the palms showing into the same direction (up or down) as shown in this picture with a ASP rigid cuff:



Here both palms face downward, and if you try this on your own you will see that you comfortably can change this to a position where both palms face upward. While doing so, there is no torque or strain on the wrist and the danger of any damage is minimal (as long as you do not fall or have another accident).

When on the other hand the Tuffkuffs are used as shown in the video clip you will always have the palms facing each other. This position will soon become very painful and will lead to nerval damage (Nervus radialis superficialis).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6691797

This problem can only be overcome, when the cuffs have a so large inner diameter that the wrists can rotate within the cuffs freely (like on Hagge/LIPS cuffs).

Best wishes,

Michael

Marty 21 Feb 2012
#30
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

These things are nifty. I love to see a better mousetrap come along. I rather think I may order a set to add to my little collection.

In viewing the video, in a practical sense, the one thing that struck me was the design of the pawl, which seems to accommodate a larger range of wrist sizes. Nothing new; Smith and Wesson did that years ago. But it is nice to see someone incorporating good ideas from the past into a collective package: universal key, slotted double lock feature, keyways on both sides.

Cool as it is, that hinge mechanism causes me to ask some practical questions:

1) Will it fit in a standard handcuff case/holster on a duty belt? Handcuff collectors, escape artists and the like won't care about this, but cops will.

2) However that one-way swivel mechanism is made (super cool), how resistant is it to grime and fouling? Or getting dropped in the dirt and just general banging around?

3) As Mr. Griffin pointed out, once you get a criminal suspect into handcuffs, the true key to preserving officer safety, prisoner safety and bystander safety is the vigilance of the cop. Handcuffs are not a substitute for a jail cell. Accordingly, while the video illustrated how nice these things are with quiet, cooperative handcuffees, what about the drugged up, spaced out, violent and combative "mice" you're trying to get into this improved "mousetrap" in the first place? Here, I see a real problem with that one-way swivel design. If the suspect is fighting you, after you get the first cuff on, the real fight is getting the second cuff on.

In the practical world, depending upon the circumstances, swivel cuffs and hinged cuffs each have their advantages and drawbacks when dealing with combative persons. But there is no rule anywhere that says a cop only has to carry only one style. More and more LEOs out on the streets carry one of each to use as the individual circumstances may dictate.

Hence, while it seems this item does incorporate the features of swivel cuffs and hinged cuffs into one, I can't help but wonder whether this will be more of a hindrance rather than a help.
Anonymous 21 Feb 2012
#31
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Like one poster had mentioned, buy 'em while you can, as they won't last...

The ratchet link design can be a problem. There's a reason the double lock feature was quickly implemented on standard cuffs, and it wasn't just to provide resistance against picking. It prevents overtightening, and the associated problems that can arise from that. I see this ratcheting link as a similar problem to cuffs that are single locked.
Larry 21 Feb 2012
#32
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Before watching the video I assumed the swivel travelled 90 degrees and then locked in place and through some very clever means, the swivel lock would release when the cuff was unlocked.

Now I see they can keep turning. I find that very puzzling. At first I was convinced that there is no possible way to deem these as safe. I would compare this to lying on your back while cuffed using only single lock. If you are very careful, you can pull that off, but eventually they will tighten. The Kuffs take that one step further; once you get those wound-up behind you, you then have constant pressure on the nerves from the sharp edge. If at that point you are tackled (or slip or trip) and land on your back, I bet you will hear various crunching sounds and maybe even twist them up yet another notch.

My point is: maybe just change the name to "Kompliance Kuffs". They have the same potential for pain compliance as a conventional twister/nipper, except mishaps can be blamed on the suspect "not using the cuffs correctly", or simply resisting arrest.

As for the success of these, I think it might be a little too late for success. Saps were designed to be used on the head to stun people, police dogs used to routinely bite people, and if you've ever been around the old Smith & Wesson "Chemical Mace"... All things that are banned or on their way out because of lawsuits. Tasers, CN, and bean bags are still around, and I think there always will be allowed some tool specifically to avoid the use of guns, but I just don't see how that would apply to handcuffs? The other items are intended to subdue someone long enough to cuff them. Once the cuffs are on, why would they need to get twisted?

If I were marketing these, and assuming Gitmo does not show interest, I would try to find a way to let the swivel travel 180 degrees and no further. Even better, have some button to enable the swivel lock. That way, they are as easy as chain cuffs to apply, but then you can turn their arm and you then have a bango-style arm-over-arm arrangement. I originally thought that was the point, but as designed, these are all about pain.
Steve Santini 21 Feb 2012
#33
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

As an inventor of cuffs and restraints myself, I really have to applaud the inventor of these for the unique swivel/clutch mechanism. While this is certainly inspired thinking, I immediately noticed the potential for injury, dislocation of arms, possible broken wrist bones, and nerve damage. And not just from going too far in the rotation of the swivel but merely from putting the suspect's arms in a "one over the other" position.

Try to cuff people like this and you will find that ones with broad shoulders often cannot even move thier arms into this position on a voluntary basis. Factor in larger people still, (where 2 cuffs must sometimes be linked to even stand any chance of securing the arms together behind the back), and this cuff design becomes even more problematic.

I too see this as more of a, "comply or suffer" type of restraint. Problem is, because many people cannot move into this position for cuffing it may very well become something quite different such as, "comply AND suffer!"

While I understand all too well the need for restraints that limit limb movement and, in doing so, put the arresting officer in more of a control position, I feel that the locking swivel feature of these cuffs and security it may afford are rendered null and void by the very less than secure "universal key" mechanism that, as is becoming all too common, has keyholes on both sides of the handcuffs!

Want to really make a better mousetrap?

1) Do away with the universal key.

2) Make a cuff more secure in how it locks and by doing so you can limit the force and pain factors you need to build into the design.

No offence to the brilliant inventor of this new handcuff but IMHO it may be a series of very costly lawsuits just waiting to happen.

Steve Santini

John Goncz 22 Feb 2012
#34
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

To produce the above handcuffs, You are looking just for the tooling 120K to 150K, the "lost Wax" process casting are expensive and than to machine it is getting there costly. I never seen any, but I assume there is a ratchet in it like in some of the bicycles that, by rotating the pedal backwards is an ancient Hungarian invention that are used in all bicycles , that the brake is part of the paddling.

I will feel sorry for the guys for the money and sweat they put into and get lost...

I will suggest to the manufacturer, that to abandon, that swivel and put the same kind link in as the S&W, this way they have a chance to recoup some of the money.

It is hard to beat the "Body System" set up and the S&W that their inferior products are made in Taiwan for many years, as they importing it into the USA and using induction welding to fuse the Cheek-plates: and BBBBBBBBLLLLLLLAAAAAAA Made in USA, what a crack of pile of BS.

Do not use my looped chain design as I will be after your skin....

Good lock!!!!!!!
John Goncz 22 Feb 2012
#35
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I will suggest to all collectors, buy them now with this design as will become collectors item!!!!!!
tim71 22 Feb 2012
#36
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I will say this, I think I agree with what John is saying to some degree. If I were the inventor of these cuffs, I'd make a swivel chain model even if I kept this model. Some departments simply wont allow their officers to use these, but a premium constructed chain link model I believe would sell because the latest batch of both Peerless and Smith and Wesson are leaving much to be desired. Use beefier swivels and actually use a premium grade chain so that the breaking strength is higher and I believe you'd have a hit, even if these sell good in and of themselves.

Just a suggestion.
Anon 22 Feb 2012
#37
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

John do you have a patent on your looped chain design?
John Goncz 22 Feb 2012
#38
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Ano, who are you?

It is customary in the World if I ask a question, first I introduce myself and than ask the question.

If thinking copying it, It will cost you lot of money and Auf wiedersehen in Federal Court...

And why are you asking????????????????
anon 22 Feb 2012
#39
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I was just asking cuz it doesn't take much to change something just a little bit and then its not covered under your patent if its even patented. then anyone can use it.
John Goncz 23 Feb 2012
#40
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Ano,

You are miss informed big time. In one case US District Court Judge Hopp was handling a intellectual property claim, where the Plaintiff sued for infringements. The defendant claimed that was not patented... The Judge ruled that dos not mater and the suit went on. Further the plaintiff was creative and formed the suit so that under RICO and Lahnaman Act etc. made the Defendant Bankrupt.

The story that you make a little change and bingo: you probably heard in a Flee Market.

But if you paying for it I will License it!!!!!!

Oh what is your Name?????


John Goncz 23 Feb 2012
#41
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hey guys I just was looking for the "GONCZ REVISITED" tread and is gone????? Anbody have any idea where it is???

Maybe taner and george brett are in cohuts protecting each other in scams?????? What a Pile of SREKCUF REHTOM!!!!!
John Goncz 23 Feb 2012
#42
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hey guys I just was looking for the "GONCZ REVISITED" tread and is gone????? Anbody have any idea where it is???

Maybe taner and george brett are in cohuts protecting each other in scams?????? What a Pile of SREKCUF REHTOM!!!!!
Adam Bush 23 Feb 2012
#43
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Mr Goncz,

I like your looped chain design as it does away with the swivels and therefor cutting out one more stress point. So what you are saying to anon is that you have a license for it and if anyone wanted to use it they would have to get your permission or pay the consequence. I'd like to make just one set of cuffs that way i can say i have self made cuffs, someday, and you looped chain design is something i'd like to incorperate. Maybe not the same but just something to do away with the swivels. I'll prolly never get around to making some being that i just don't have the right tools to do so with. I have to say i really like your handcuff design period, and hope someday to have a pair in my collection.
John Goncz 23 Feb 2012
#44
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Adam,

If you want to build one for Yourself one I will grant you the permission "Bono" (no charge) send me your contact and I may have some pieces and I will send you two to build your handcuffs.

Mark Lyons 23 Feb 2012
#45
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

The Goncz Revisited blog has been removed because I asked for its removal.

I honestly thought I could do some good when I was under the assumption that all matters were very close to being settled with just a little arbitration.

All parties (and there are more than what most people know about) are as far as possible in any good faith negotiation proposals. Some have the inability to complete their deals and some just don't care. Some are very patient and some don't get it.

Each party knows what is owed to them and what they owe to others. Even if their facts are clouded, there is nothing more that I can offer. Even though we are all adults here, infantile behavior circumvented most rational adult like responsibility. We had record setting blogs which unfortunately, were mostly filled with hate and anger. This was never the case with this hobby even 4 or 5 years ago. I do not have an explanation of why this has occurred and I was foolish to think that I might be able to offer assistance.

I am finally starting to wind down a 4 year divorce that totally eclipses the stupidity witnessed here so I am not lying when I say that I up to my eyeballs in idiotic and lunatic behavior.

I can elect to get out out of this one. The other, I am powerless to end.

I am sorry for trying and even more if I upset anyone in doing so.

I really wanted to help resolve the differences here that has divided the cuff collecting community and at this time, can only say good luck to everyone concerned and hope everything will eventually be resolved. I hope these can be my final words regarding this subject.


mark
O--O
Ian McColl 23 Feb 2012
#46
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi, if the design incorporates key operation from both side, does this mean the interior works like the ASP cuff and therefore uses this patent? (Patent application Dec 1 2005 sheet 6 of 15 US2005'0262901 A1)

Ian
Adam Bush 23 Feb 2012
#47
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Mr. Goncz,

You can contact me at abit2585@gmail.com
Anonymous 23 Feb 2012
#48
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Whew! Your divorce is still dragging on? What a bad dream.

When it's all overwith, maybe you can set up your ex-wife with Goncz.

John Goncz 24 Feb 2012
#49
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

MARK,

Thanks for your effort and trying to be Honest Brocker and I am confident, that You did Your Best. I thank you for it!!! For every bodies to be informed I left one pair of handcuffs with Mark to ship it if the shipping is arranged and no cost to me. Now he wants 2 pairs!!! What a Jocker???

Now the ball is back into my court and I will stick to my original deal: You were going to buy 24 than a discount is applies.

If you buying one is $200.- each, as also recently one was sold on the E-Bay for $199.99 plus shipping. I stick to that deal and no way I will
give that guy any slack, especially with all the phony postings and derogatory statements.

Also the poor guy from Australia is taken for over $900.- and never shipped anything........... What a Newfy .... The Newfies that were working for me they were Honest hard working guys and I paid them well. (the reason I am not coursing him due to respect to Mark, otherwise I would gone Ballistic with word.) The $200.- plus shipping, that is the deal and cost of shipment will be made until I receive the shipping cost or the "Hell" freezes over, which ever comes first.

So here I suggest within the next 5 days you guys can vote and post it here: Should I send the Handcuffs to the Chap in Australia, so is mitigated hes loss???

Mark, Thanks and I owe You one Taccilla ....
John Goncz 24 Feb 2012
#50
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Ano,

No thanks I would not do it to a friend. Beside My wife is married for 25 years.....
John Goncz 24 Feb 2012
#51
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

To Tanner,

My apology, I thought the removal came from You.... !!!! ????
edgeplayusa 24 Feb 2012
#52
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi, if the design incorporates key operation from both side, does this mean the interior works like the ASP cuff and therefore uses this patent? (Patent application Dec 1 2005 sheet 6 of 15 US2005'0262901 A1)
Patent law is one of those places where the devil is in the details. It would depend entirely on what ASP's claims are in their patent application and how the Tuff Cuffs differ (or don't) from ASP's claims, and what BS their lawyer can spin in court.

Without seeing the innards of the Tuff Cuff, it may not even be possible to make a good guess.

This can be one of those areas we refer to as falling under the "Full Employment For Lawyers Act."

Howy 24 Feb 2012
#53
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

On page 6 of the current Tactical Response magazine
http://www.hendonpub.com/publications/tacticalresponse/
there is a picture of Sheriff (Ret) John Bunnell wearing
a pair of Tuff Cuffs.

Howy
Cincy
Joseph Fox 24 Feb 2012
#54
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I just ordered a pair this morning----has a Back-Order of 6 - 8 weeks.

Mmm, have all of my fellow cuff collectors - purchased their inventory already?
Dorson 24 Feb 2012
#55
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

In case people were wondering as the above link to the ASP cuff application was issued a patent here it is.
www.google.com/patents/US7062943
Anonymous 24 Feb 2012
#56
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

What is a Newfy? What is a Taccilla?
Ian McColl 24 Feb 2012
#57
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi Joe F, I emailed Paul Amos last week and here is what he wrote" We did encounter a double lock spring that I wanted to be stronger. Those springs have been ordered and we will be shipping again within 3 weeks. I think it is safe to assume that an order placed within the next week or so would arrive in the 6-8 week time frame from the date of that order. Perhaps sooner but no guarantees at this point."

His first posting here was back in Nov. 2011 and I am sure they would have sorted this out earlier since the whole idea has been going since the concept was invented.
Joseph Fox 24 Feb 2012
#58
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Thanks, Ian!
John Goncz 25 Feb 2012
#59
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Anno,

A Newfy is a slang in Canada for anyone is from New Found-land, and gerorge a brett is from there, rural litle industry, but good fishing and Hunting.

Teccilla is a kind of brandy made in Mexico from the agua plants.
Nils 02 Mar 2012
#60
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I was just wondering about the Gotcha cuffs that I bought and paid for in June. Has anyone received theirs yet? I e-mailed David, and the e-mail came back as undeliverable.

Nils
Tom 02 Mar 2012
#61
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Nobody has gotten their GOTCHA cuffs and my guess is none will ever be delivered. When I requested my refund a few months ago I literally had to torment them daily I got refund checks for both orders. Funny thing was that the checks did not come from a company account but a personal bank account. They will fall off the face of the earth like they did the last time they tried to release cuffs.
MICHAEL LEE 02 Mar 2012
#62
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

THIS ...DOES NOT SOUND PROMISING ?

ML
CuffmanBelgium 02 Mar 2012
#63
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

I got my refund for the gotcha's pretty fast but that was only after I followed Tom's lead and I guess we were just in time as the lines of communication seem to have been cut off right after my refund. It could be a trans-atlantic thing but I doubt it.
Peter

Ian McColl 30 May 2012
#64
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Today I have a pair of Tuff-Kuffs in my hand, then on my wrists and now on the desk in front of me.
The cuff has a contemporary high tech appearance. The bow swings exceptionally free due to large tolerances. The bow clears the frame with less than point 3 of a millimetre and the shims I have of that thickness will not pass easily.
The corners of all pieces are crisp 90 degrees, with only the rumbling(?) to take of the absolute edge. No curved edges on the inside of frame or bow. Inside diameter is on par with other standard handcuffs and best suited to holding the wrist in position. (my fear was that the wrist could be rotated within the circle of the closed cuff) This is not the case on a regular size wrist. I think finer built men, women and juveniles would be able to rotate their wrist and make the clutching mechanism void. I also see this will not fit larger build individuals, to which some companies have already made 20% larger interior cuff sizes. If this cuff was up-sized, the closed cuff would be circular than oval and wouldnt work as it was designed.
The drill pin (key post) would be better flush to the cuff outer surface for maximum security of unauthorised picking tools, however I suspect the recessed drill pin is to make it easy to align the key to the keyhole.
The keyhole on both sides maybe for convenience but it makes the handcuff very vulnerable to opening in all situations.
(note for the competent escape artists) The deadlocking is done by sliding a spring thru a slot but can be bypassed easier than S&W as in the case of having the keyhole welded shut.
The rivet heads are sharp on some but not others ( I wouldnt know if this would cause harm to leather cases or in handling issues.)
The clutching swivel is very firm to turn and gives no indication of which way you would need to turn it. There is a small amount of give when going in the opposite direction and this may leads to harmful injuries if a persons arms are forced in the that direction.
I congratulate Mr Amos for his design and belief in his own product to bring it to fruition.
Ian
Ron Spitz 30 May 2012
#65
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

The first, early lots of the Tuff Kuffs were recalled by the company due to a bad spring used in the double lock. Also on the pair that I had, the rotation of the swivel was extremely hard and could cause damage to someones wrist. The rotation force was corrected to be within a specific range. The company did send out emails to those who were shipped early models and offered free replacements plus an extra pair for the inconvenience. At least they are trying to make and back up a quality product.

As for as how they will be accepted by law enforcement, time will tell, but as a collector they are a nice addition to a collection.

Ron
Ian McColl 30 May 2012
#66
I received my first pair of Tuff Kuffs. They are pretty neat. They are joined by a unique one-way swivel.

Pretty neat. To buy a pair go to their website at: http://www.tuffkuffs.com/

Watch a video at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMsRCVvMVo

Joe

Hi Ron, I had to wait to get mine as there was a problem with a spring and the company was waiting for new ones. If I had any of the earlier ones, I wouldnt have sent it back for a replacement as it would be a rarer model. I only got mine because I believe this cuff will be a collectible and a small number will be made.

The ideological and emotion advertising that it will save officers lives is a good sentiment but wont overcome costs and handling issues. Gotchas invention was marketed based on the same ideals but price factors in before humans.

Are there any who actually use this in the field?

Ian