Qwer Ty
#1Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
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Anonymous
#2Hi, they are not horse or any type of animal hobble. Hobbles need to be easy to remove by the owner day or night and NEVER require a key (which might get lost)
You almost have the whole shackle except for the locking mechanism which has been lost. The missing piece would have been a flat section of metal with flat spring/s attached. If this is the key to these shackle, then it would have had three springs. The missing piece has now got a modern thread eye bolt instead.
You have the key though. The hardest bit to find.
Probably middle eastern/asian and circe 1800's
You almost have the whole shackle except for the locking mechanism which has been lost. The missing piece would have been a flat section of metal with flat spring/s attached. If this is the key to these shackle, then it would have had three springs. The missing piece has now got a modern thread eye bolt instead.
You have the key though. The hardest bit to find.
Probably middle eastern/asian and circe 1800's
Franklin
#3Hi Qwer TyHey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
It's always tough looking at pictures and trying to figure out stuff.
From what I've messed around with in the past, the round, almost circular, cam link on the puzzle shackle, together with the raised bands on what's left of the locking shackle looks like items I've seen from North Africa/Middle East.
As you have probably figured out, that eye bolt and hex nut is not ancient, and certainly not original to the item. Without being able to hold the things in my hand, I don't want to bore you with the possibilities of what the triple spring thing is.
Nonetheless, on the whole, I will hazard the guess that what you have is not a horse hobble, or a human shackle, but a camel hobble. To me, a rather nifty artifact to have.
Yes, I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but I rather think there might be a collector or two out there of the truly strange who will perhaps confirm my suspicion.
A nice item. And an interesting piece of bygone history.
Franklin
Ian McColl
#4Hi Franklin, I like your humour to link Middle eastern with camels. The shackles are too small to even fit a camel. As the key needs some pressure to push down the barbed springs, the opener of the lock must wrap their fingers around and inside the shackle lock. Very dangerous to do with any animal of camels /horse size as they can move unpredictably.Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
Dennis
#5I have found many references to the use of locking iron horse hobbles. They were used to prevent theft. And yes at times where were problems with lost or stolen keys. The metal is actually easier on a horse's legs than leather or rawhide. This is confirmed not only in the literature but in personal practice using them on horses. The locking mechanism on this set of hobbles (minus the modern replacement parts) was used by the Vikings, Romans and possibly even earlier.Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
Ert Yui
#6The original poster 's name is derived from pressing the upper left hand letters of an American keyboard.Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
Anon Anon AnonymousX
#7Hoof heartedHey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
LK
#8I recently acquired a complete set of these only mine only has 2 prongs,if you look inside the shackle side you should see a plate with 3 holes !Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
the key enters from the back side above that plate with the 3 prongs downward, the hole in the key will be above the whole shackle !
there wold have been a spring metal piece where your bolt & nut is now,it would have been v shaped and inserted with the open part of the v up !
to open you would insert the key as described & press down on it,inserting the key prongs thru the holes and pressing the spring down,releasing the V spring latch!
if yours does have the plate inside with the 3 hole in it, then all you need is the v spring,as said above you have the key,the most important part !
GOOD LUCK
LK D~D
Anonymous
#9Hi Ian in I own several pairs of these type of shackles and always wanted to know there history do u think they were used for humans.Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
LK
#10I also agree with IAN's statement above & would add;Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
"IF THE SHACKLE's DON'T FIT, YOU MOST A QUITE " !
However I would like to see the reference's/ literature you speak of DENNIS!
Until then my believe is this:
Slave's along with horse's were also owed by those mentioned and other people, the slave was not worth as much and were easier to come by. Some were put in charge of the horse's to tend/care for/and protect for fear of loosing their life & were more likely to be wearing the hobbles then the horse!
The human brain tells us if you force your foot (hoof) to far or to fast as to come to the end of the chain or you jump up and down and 3-4 lbs of iron comes slapping down on your foot/hoof then DON'T DO THAT!
I'm sure some horse's also got that but most not until they were injured badly, other's it would just make them struggle more!
LK D~D
Achmed
#11Used only for female or child camels.Hey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
Anonymous
#12http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ottoman-19-C- ... 232954b56dHey, I was wondering if anyone could verify the authenticity of these. They are said to be horse shackles from the late middle ages. What I am most curious about is the threaded on nut as I have not seen this before in pieces this old.
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