PUZZLE #1

how do i make them bigger???

LK D~D

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LK, Are they a miniature or you just want the picture bigger?



Remove the th_ from the link to make a full size picture appear.

( you are welcome )

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h ttp://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/LK777/th_XZP16901125274102.jpg (first small photo)
h ttp://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/LK777/XZP16901125274102.jpg (second larger photo)

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Ha//ha//ha
yes the first one's fit my little min-pin LOL

Going to try it again

LK D~D

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Ok i think i got it now
it was sc--wing with me on #3 cause the wasn't any th_
but i hope i figured it out now

here goes

LK D~D

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Hi Screwing is a good word. Don't edit it.
Nice photos.(of cuffs)

Ian

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4 the help, now if i can only remember how it's done the next time

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the photo's aren't nearly as nice as the irons really are, the one under anon #1 is a handcuff or small child or lady leg iron,but the others are leg irons!

LK D~D

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"quote" Thanks 4 the help, now if I can only remember how it's done the next time.

which one? photos or screwing?


If the latter" please refer to FREEING RUSTED PARTS thread.

Cheers

Ian

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Nice Chinese or Tibetan shackles. Simple but effective.
Paul

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DISCP. OF THE ABOVE:

yep, they are a bit different, was able to obtain 6 set's of them at different times from the same people 2 sets have fig 8 links,2 sets have 2bar links,one set has twisted chain links, and the handcuffs /small child leg irons set has the fig 8 links all show quality smith work 2 sets have riveted/pin hinges the rest have backstrap type bent over hinges only some bend under instead of back. the handcuff set has the decorative band around them and it came with a prong type lock ,of course that doesn't mean it was the original maybe/maybe not! the only part missing on just 1 set is the (what i call the buckle) it goes over the puzzle side before the chain is fished thru them!some of the links show a lot of wear,it amazes me at the thought that some one or more then one person had to wear them so long as to wear the links down,one thing is for sure u can't run with them on! have tried and the best u can do is a old man walk / shuffle!

LK D~D

I'm not seeing anything that would indicate that they are oriental !!!!!

Paul can u give me any ref: that they r !!!

also the pic's don't do them justice,they r not rusted looking like the pic's show,all have nice patina !

LK D~D

I am also interested in where Paul get his info to make that statement of fact.

Ian

I bought my "puzzle"cuff(strictly not a puzzle, more like a cap wrist lock) from China from the same guy who sold these "stocks" to Ron.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/261154/m ... +Hand+Cuff

The seller calls them - the puzzle ones - Chinese/Tibet handcuffs.
I have seen him sell a few of these and as well as different brass handcuffs.
The rectangular brass sliding key padlock, which is also on mine, is a clue, but don't take my word for it. Where do you think they are from Larry? Did your source hint at where he got them?
Paul

have seen him sell a few of these and as well as different brass handcuffs.

by "these" do u mean my sets or yours ?

here is a closer pic of the lock,it being in bad condition it was no problem to open since there was no key!




LK D~D

when i received them (the handcuff set ,with the prong lock) my thoughts were that the lock didn't go with them because they didn't hold them tightly together, however looking at the locks wear on the obverse side it could have been used on them for a while,it's hard to tell!
As far as the history of all of the sets known by the seller it's short, they came from an antique firm in OHIO
whom knew a old fellow who had 3 big warehouses full of "junk" (her words,not mine) so full that after selling her the 1st set told her he had more,but it took him roughly 8 months to a year or so to dig them up one set at a time,as far as i can remember there was one set i did not win! also another set like them came up a while back from someone else it had wrapping on them witch didn't look old enough to go with his,i think he posted about them in the forum.



LK D~D

Another set that came with a lock,the patina matches the shackles,however the lock is not what i would expect to be used on a heavy set of shackles but maybe that's the only lock that was available?
it also doesn't show the wear that i would expect to see compared to the links,ect.of the set.
can u or anyone estimate a date of this lock???



LK D~D

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Hi "Mickey mouse' eared padlock 1800 to 1930. I would suspect 1850 by the key. Padlock won't age it as they can be replaced over time. Same with the barbed spring Chinese style lock on the other set. The type of lock used is likely to be based on the shackle diameter to fit the shackles.

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LK,
By "these" I mean this style of cuff, not yours or mine in particular.

Since mine came from Tibet specifically, and others are coming out of China in general, that's what I'll suggest is their origin unless someone else has any other evidence to the contrary.

This thread from 2006 shows that a seller was sourcing Chinese cuffs to sell in the US. Probably the brass swing through type, but I'd be interested to hear from those who remember. Interesting. A lot has changed in China since then too. I think they'll post you anything for $US.
Paul

http://www.network54.com/Forum/261154/t ... fs+on+eBay

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Hi IAN,thanks 4 the info,i forgot to say that there is no marking on the mickey mouse eared lock and the key is
a hollow barrel,looks like a tower key in size and shape but the bit is longer with a very slight c on the tip!
i feel the same u can't identify them by the lock!
what would u est. the time period for the normal puzzle shackle, the kind u see with the large shackle lock on the end with twisted links!
or do u know when the idea of puzzles come about and were in use!

LK D~D

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Hi PAUL, thanks 4 the info!
does ur cap wrist lock have a makers symbol or marking on it?
or do u know if RON'S did/does?

LK D~D

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Finally found a little info on the above under the heading FETTER,( daaaaaa larry) who would have guessed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetters

also mentions cap locks paul
still reading and searching
does show a pic of something close


LK D~D

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PAUL my bad, it said cup lock shackles and the photo ref; to the type mine r!

When I mentioned the Cap Wrist Lock, i was just comparing it to, say, a Hiatt or old European type where a sleeve or cap is slid over the two ends to hold them together before passing the chain through. The "Puzzle" on the other hand does not have the sleeve or a separate lock. There is a difference in how the two types work. Personally, from a practical point of view, I like the padlock type because the padlock can always be replaced easily.

aaaaah, i see the difference now after zooming in on this photo:



the arms of the shackle has a hole in both sides
then the CAP goes on
then the chain is pasted thru
i wish they had shown the other end

is the one u posted yours?

The problem with restraints or other fixtures with loose locks, is that they often weren't kept together in use, so there is no good answer to "is this the right lock?"

Very true DENNIS
I am interested in knowing the time period and origin of when they were in use or made
the wear on them shows that they weren't just being worn to keep them captive/not running away but were made to walk in them/work in them for a long time!

Lk D~D

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LK
your suggestion that the amount of wear indicates that someone walked or worked in them for a long period of time. My seller of these things suggests the age to be from 1850-1900, so considering their age, it could be that a lot of people wore them for a short period of time.
The one that you think is missing the band or sleeve at the lock end may just have the wrong lock. Mine, pictured above, has no room for movement with an appropriate lock.

Paul

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I have posted a few more photo's and a little bit more description on the handcuffs.org link on FACEBOOK ,and still looking for info on all of the above IRON'S

LK D~D

PS
if someone would like that info transferred here please let me know !

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LK, I see that you mentioned on Facebook that you think these are from Portugal or Spain. What makes you think that? Just interested.
The Chinese antique dealer that I bought mine from scourers the country for the things he sells and he still has one of these for sale along with a number of brass Chinese handcuffs and finger cuffs. My opinion is that everything he sells are original local vintage/antiques.
Regards
Paul

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Paul, I if you haven't looked yet I posted on your wall,also can you get photos &
A / $ on the one's you mention above and pass to me?


LK D~D

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PAUL, there are 7 post & photos,they will be best under stood if read from first post to last, (bottoms-up)

LK D~D