Madison nipper

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Doing a fast search on the information given I can not find any data on this nipper. It is not in any of the patent books I have and does not show up on a patent search. Do you have any other information or picture of this nipper? It sounds interesting.

Ron

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Ron, sorry I don't have a photo but I think I learned of this from Don Stewarts now defunct Key Collectors Organization. One other thing was P.C. Holland was the sole agent for this device. That's about all the info I have.

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

HI Spencer,
Can you give me a call? 218-728-5425. If you're still looking for a key, call me.

Thanks, John

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

One of the books I checked was Stewart's book on cuffs. The back section has many patent drawings and info. Madison is not listed, but the list is not complete. A search on the date you gave had no nipper associated with it.

I do have all the newsletters Stewart put out and it will make an interesting project to go through them. If I find anything I'll post it.

Ron

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Spencer--after many hours going through all the publications I have that Stewart published, I could not find any mention on a Madison nipper. I also checked the West Coast Lock Collectors publications from 1990 to present and no mention either.

A Google patent search of the date gave no applied for or issued patent information.

Maybe someone like Joe Tanner would have some information and could add to this thread.

One side note--I noticed there were keys marked BASCO which stands for Briggs and Stratton Corporation. The Tower leg iron copy made by BALCO could be B and L Company. Of course we don't know who the B and L stands for, but it is another way to look at the BALCO markings.

Ron

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Spencer sent me a copy of a sales list which has a drawing of a nipper called the Madison Automatic Nipper with a patent date of January 21, 1908. My patent search on the date did not have any results. However a picture (drawing) is worth a thousand words.

The nipper is the same as the Montana Roundup Nipper Co. with the same patent date and is in Joe Lauher's collection. The patent issued to W. E. Werd (fitting name) issued Jan 21, 1908, #877389.



This one was fun to track down.

Ron

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Ron

Thanks for your detective work, now at least you know that I wasn't just dreaming this up.

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

I received this information about P. C. Holland from Matthew Forte who has two great books on police collectibles. I am posting this with his permission.

"Colonel Philip C. Holland was the founder of The Detective, a monthly publication in newspaper format, distributed (by subscription) to police agencies and including photographs and descriptions of wanted persons. Holland was a member of the International Association of Chiefs of Police - the IACP and while the publication began in 1885 and was still being published in 1940, in 1898 it was named as the "official organ" of the IACP. In 1900 it was named the official organ of the National Bureau of Identification.

In addition, each issue carried advertisements for police equipment including handcuffs, mechanical and chain nippers, clubs, leg irons and other items. The August, 1908 issue carries an illustration and description of the Madison nipper although it does not call it that. The illustration has the patent date (PAT. JAN.,21,08) on the handle. The description reads, "$2.00 each. Pat. Jan. 1, '08. Opens by pressure on end. Safest and best we have ever handled. P.C. Holland, Sole Agent, 6233 Cottage Grove Ave. " Although Holland raved about this nipper I can find no other issues of The Detective that carry an ad for it."

Great information. Thanks Matt

Here is the information that Spencer sent me. Seems like whoever is selling an item can put any name on it.



Ron

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Does anyone have a Hercules nipper as shown in the ad?
Joe

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

It does not turn up in a normal search but checking out one of the patents that is citing for reference there was the blue to click on and it took me here.
https://www.google.com/patents/US877389

Anyone out there ever seen or come across a Madison nipper? The pat.date is Jan. 21 1908.

thanks in advance Spencer

Hi Dorson---The reason this has not shown up in "usual" searches is due to the title which does not mention nippers or handcuffs. Joe Lauher came up with the patent when the Montana nipper was found. Joe posted this information in an earlier post and I just brought the information forward.

Hope all is well with you and you're working on some interesting projects.

Ron