Qeustions about an odd Bockin cuff

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

It probably missed the QC process. It is possible (although I don't personally know) that the bows are normally screwed on and then ground flush (Mattatuck handcuffs are screwed together, not riveted)

Maybe made late on a Friday

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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Maybe this was a group of cuffs destined to be delivered to Happy Henry's Discount Handcuff House

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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Thanks for the answer. I am just surprised at how cheaply they are constructed. I can't imagine anyone actually using these for their intended purpose.

Glenn M.

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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hI GLENN, the set I have also doesn't have the chain links welded, although the links are closed tightly, leaving about a hairs width between them, I don't know if any were ever welded! the bows on mine are riveted however !
have you tried to unscrew the bows ?

LK D~D

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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Thanks LK,

I haven't tried to take the screws out because they look like they were ground down on the opposite side and I was afraid that if I took them out that they wouldn't go back in as easy as they would come out.

They really seem to be a very poorly made handcuff. I am surprised that they were ever sold commercially.

Glenn

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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This set just sold, doesn't have chain links but connectors

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-EARLY-BOCK ... true&rt=nc


LK D~D

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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The first version with connectors, rather than links, is the rarer of them.

I have detected three version so far:

1. With connectors
2. With welded links
3. With "open" links

Some cuffs have the screws instead of rivets, I also wonder why. Maybe lack of
rivets in stock at the time of manufacturing? I have a set with riveted hinge on one
side and a screw on the other. On the photo there is also an original Bockin pouch.

Lars

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I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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Thanks for the update LARS, I was wondering if the "screw's were actually also rivet's with a slot so as to hold it in place while pining the back of the rivet and that way be able to work the arm back an fore so it didn't freeze up while pining?
your thoughts?

LK D~D

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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LK, I'm not really sure. When I once got them several years ago I thought that one side was repaired
and a broken rivet was replaced with a screw. That's not the case, the screw is factory made. On the
backside of the screw, it seem to have been punched on and then filed down.

I never tried to unscrew it as I don't want to break anything. The Bockin is not one of my favorite
cuffs but the set with clevis is actually quite nice and shiny. They have their place in history.

Lars

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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Some cuffs are screwed together as a normal manufacturing process. Mattatuck is another example.
The screw for the bow pivot is more than likely a purpose made stepped fastener which could only be screwed in so far so the bow could still move.
It is more likely that the countersink in the bow was too deep and the slot in the screw could not be totally ground down, flush to the surface.
The thickness of the bows is likely to be the culprit, as these bows were cast.

I picked up this Bockin a few months ago and I have a few questions about it. I know that it isn't in the best condition. When I purchased it, it was covered in black paint that had to be stripped off. The arms are attached with screws instead of rivets and the chain links aren't welded closed. Since this is a Model 2 I didn't think that it could be a prototype. I have never seen these differences in another bockin and wanted to know why this one is put together differently. Was it built like this with screws instead of rivets at the factory or was this done later, and why weren't the links welded?

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My Bockins also have open links. Probably another reason why they never caught on.