Hardest to pick high security cuff?

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

Have you considered Chubb Escort cuffs for your collection?

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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I have tried the Peerless 710s and they weren't much of a challenge. May be my set but they opened quickly for me. As to the HSS-9s, have you tried picking them while wearing them? Hold the pick between big toe and next toe. Guide it then with fingers turning the wrists. Its great fun!

I've not tried the Austrailian cuffs but hope to in the future. Same is true with the Chubb Escorts. The Chubb Detainers are pretty easy. They are a 3 lever lock with a switch type lever on the back for double-locking. When used together, they can be picked in under 6 seconds.

Clyde

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi, Try the Chubb escort and Medeco, none of the others have high security locks. It's only advertising hype or poor use of the terminology "high security".

Ian

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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CHUBB ESCORTS - any attempts to pick these locks have "humbled" many a man. These would be the ultimate challenge for you.
SAF-LOKS: you will find these surprisingly easy.

However, as was stated - picking some of these cuffs OFF the wrists is quite different than when you're actually wearing the handcuffs!

Continued success with your picking.

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi,

oh yes, you're all right, the Chubbs would also match my search criteria, but I don't see them as "real" handcuffs, more as big padlocks I don't expect I could pick them as I have almost no experience with chubb-style locks, opened one once using improvised hobb's hooks...

@Clyde: I expect the double lock of the detainers is easily deactivated? Can they possibly be shimmed afterwards? What makes them so easy to pick, three levers are not much but should have to be set individually, or is the double-lock already one of the three?

@Ian: Clyde says the Medeco also isn't much of a challenge, but OK, he also says this regarding the Detainers which I expect would take me some time. As the Medeco on the 710s stands above the lock I don't expect it to have a lot of pins? And also not to have any of the famous Medeco rotating pins?

Nobody who tried 710 and SAF-Lok (do they have different lock mechanisms on the differend models?) and can give a direct comparision?

Considering "hands on", errm, "on hands" picking: I admit I talked about doing it unapplied mainly, this is of course another challenge. With the Clejuso 101 applied tight I expect it to be near impossible, with the Rivolier (chain-style) it's doable. For the HSS9, I haven't managed it on hands in the opening direction so far (see my original post), but having the locks on the thumb side I can insert tension tool and pick without needing my big toe... For the 710s I expect it to be not too difficult when the lock is facing to the hand, when it's on the other side it could be a challenge. And then of course one could try with hands on the back secured with a belly chain

Martin

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi. The Peerless 710 ought to be quite the challenge as the Medeco lock has 4 rotating tumblers that need to be elevated and turned to the exact location....all at the same time. Once the proper tumbler positioning has been obtained, then the cylinder plug will be free to turn in the unlock position as the sidebar within the plug will be able to be retracted. If even one tumbler is not at the right height or rotational degree the cuff will be locked tight. I know of no way to pick this lock unless a small hole is drilled over the sidebar and pressure is applied to it with a small wire or similar tool. I would like to hear from anyone who has been able to pick this....Medeco would be interested too.
Another handcuff that I would rate as near impossible is very familiar to all of us...the Tower Double Lock in the double lock position. Escape from these should be easy as long as one can hide a key, but actually picking the lock twice to open it or picking the double lock and then shimming the shackle open has got to be an extremely difficult challenge.
The Chinese 4 way pin tumber lock should be fairly easy to pick. While I have not even seen one of the leg irons, the lock should be about the same as the one that they put in the "Gorrila Grip" or "Club" steering wheel locks. I have picked tons of those locks. m

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi,

@Mark: I know Medeco produces these rotating pins locks with sidebar, which indeed could be quite a challenge. But AFAIK not all Medeco locks have these nice features, and I did expect the ones in the 710s to be rather normal pin tumbler locks - are you sure they have this sidebar mechanism also in the Peerless 710?

Regarding the Tower Double Lock: this for sure is a challenge using usual tools, but as it's not individually keyed it doesn't quite match the others. Besides that I'm more interested in modern "high tech" handcuffs, all vintage cuffs which would be available in my area are bought by atame anyway

And @Ian: sure, "High Security" is a markting word, but I thing it's relative. For handcuffs anything beyond a standard key can be considered "High Security", as it is very unlikely to be opened by a not specially skilled person... But as you especially mention the Peerless' Medeco lock, do you know details which make this more "high security" than the others?

Martin

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Martin, Yes I am positive about the Medeco pins. Medeco does not currently (or probably ever) manufacture any lock cylinders that have not been Underwriters Lab (U.L.)approved.
The 60 series cam locks that are used in the Peerless 710 cuffs have a UL437 High-Security rating. When U.L. says high security, they MEAN high security. The testing is very demanding and this label is not a marketing phrase. The key that they are using is a "Bi-Axial" key and that was patented about 18 years ago. This means that the key must elevate and rotate the tumblers and features "fore and aft" cuts. While the fore and aft pins tumblers do little in the way of picking resistance, it makes it harder to duplicate the keys without the proper key cutting equipment. The interesting thing here is that the patent runs out this June. This means that the Bi-Axial keys are no longer restricted and any key blank manufacturer is free to sell the key blanks. Keys can be cut at any quality locksmith shop. I think that it is doubtful that anyone would see much of a market for the keyway that Peerless or Boa Handcuff Co. is using, so keys for these cuffs will still need to be ordered through them for quite a while.
Medeco has introduced their new patented products a few months ago. They call it the m3 and it is very similar to the Bi-Axial but has a locking bar that allows the sidebar to retract as long as the key has the proper length mill cut that can push it to the correct position. Hope this is not too technical. To summarize, I will be watching to see if any of the newer 710's come out soon with the improved m3 keyway and I would even wager that escape from these cuffs would be impossible unless one uses any technique other than picking the lock. m

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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... and following up to this old thread:

@all: thanks for your comments, I ordered the Peerless 710 and will let you know about my picking successes as soon as I have them... Might take some time until they arive here, though.

The ADIs simply are just too expensive to buy them just for the fun, so I hope I'll some day have the chance to try out somone elses...

Martin

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Martian, why don't you try to pick open a pair of Ian McColl's HOUDINI Mirror Cuffs with the 7 slider Bramah lock? Now there's a challenge! Mike

Martin, Yes I am positive about the Medeco pins. Medeco does not currently (or probably ever) manufacture any lock cylinders that have not been Underwriters Lab (U.L.)approved.
The 60 series cam locks that are used in the Peerless 710 cuffs have a UL437 High-Security rating. When U.L. says high security, they MEAN high security. The testing is very demanding and this label is not a marketing phrase. The key that they are using is a "Bi-Axial" key and that was patented about 18 years ago. This means that the key must elevate and rotate the tumblers and features "fore and aft" cuts. While the fore and aft pins tumblers do little in the way of picking resistance, it makes it harder to duplicate the keys without the proper key cutting equipment. The interesting thing here is that the patent runs out this June. This means that the Bi-Axial keys are no longer restricted and any key blank manufacturer is free to sell the key blanks. Keys can be cut at any quality locksmith shop. I think that it is doubtful that anyone would see much of a market for the keyway that Peerless or Boa Handcuff Co. is using, so keys for these cuffs will still need to be ordered through them for quite a while.
Medeco has introduced their new patented products a few months ago. They call it the m3 and it is very similar to the Bi-Axial but has a locking bar that allows the sidebar to retract as long as the key has the proper length mill cut that can push it to the correct position. Hope this is not too technical. To summarize, I will be watching to see if any of the newer 710's come out soon with the improved m3 keyway and I would even wager that escape from these cuffs would be impossible unless one uses any technique other than picking the lock. m

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I would like to see someone try to get out of boa ASSA cuffs. not rigged. MY cuffs ASSA xj peerless.

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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I would give it a go......but if I get out, I keep them. What do you say??? I am sure that there would be a few takers on that challenge.

Cheers, Mike

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi,

@anonymous&Michael: the ASSA cuffmaxx can be picked using normal tools, as Andy58 reported a few month ago in the german handcuffs forum. I verified it on my S&W ASSA cuffmaxx cuffs, it took me about 10 minutes:


This picking was done off-hand and I have to admit that doing it on-hand could be quite a challenge, but not impossible using the right tools. But unfortunately picking the cylinder is not the only way out of the ASSA Peerless cuffs, so I'm pretty sure quite some of the escape artists here would win this challenge. I'd possible even go for it myself

@Mark Lyons: wow, that was 2 years ago... And you were right, the new generation of Medeco cuffmaxx cuffs has the m3 cylinder in it, I made a photo comparing the two some time ago (can't find it right now), the new cylinder is longer as it one more pin.

Comparing the pick resistance of the ASSA and the Medeco cuffmaxx, I would consider the Medeco the more secure one. But as said, the cylinder isn't the only way out of these cuffs...

Martin
P.S.: And coming back to the original Topic - possibly the title for the hardest to pick cuff now is held by Andy58s own series of "HS104 V2A" cuffs, V2A steel cuffs in a darby style but locked with an assa abloy protec cylinder. One of the toughest to pick cylinders in the world in my optinion. Unfortunately only 3 of these cuffs exist worldwide

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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so your saying you can get out of my xj transport cuffs without tools in double lock?

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hi,

without tools? How boring, what do we need high-security cylinders for then? Those cuffs are made to withstands attacks even when the detainee managed to get some small, simple tools from somewhere.

I had no XJ cuff in or around my hands so far, but from what I read in the specs the anti-shim-jar just prevents simple shimming-attacks in the smallest or largest position. Nothing of real relevance in our case. As long as peerless doesn't implement the "locked" cylinder position - which was in the original patent paper and should be possible, at least using the medeco cylinder - escaping still should be realistic without having to pick the cylinder.

And no, I'm not saying "I can do it". But I think it can be done. Possibly even by myself

Martin

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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martin, what did you think of the Boa proto type cuff?

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Hello,
a few months ago i have picked an Assa Desmo cylinder from a Peerless710 (a few days before unimuc did the same). But just before i have opened it without picking the cylinder the same way as i have supposed a few months before i had got my Peerless710. To open the doublelock i need no tools at all and then you have just to shim it. It took about 1-2 minutes to open a doublelocked Peerless710 handcuff offhand. Onhand is of course much more difficult, but possible. There is danger to hurt yourself more or less. I have done it succesfully with one cuff onhand in a few minutes without hurting me, with little pain. To open onhand with both hands cuffed should be also possible, but needs more time.

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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I just wondered if you picked these open so easily offhand or worn.

I'm new to the forum here, but I've collected cuffs for 20 years or so; and did escapes.. way long ago. I got the Hiatt HS99s a while ago, and naturally gave them a go. I got stuck in them and had to ask a neighbor to remove them. Talk about embarassing. :P

Yes, you can all have a good laugh at this one. I did.


Dan

Hi,

I've been interested in high-security handcuffs for quite some time now, especially those with individual keys (i.e. pin tumbler locks and similar). So far I've picked Clejuso 101, Rivolier, and Hiatts HSS-9. From this selection the Clejuso has the by far most secure lock, a high quality pin tumbler lock which took me over 5 minutes using HPC 2000 Series picks. The HSS-9 lock is relatively simple to pick, but for some strange reason at least on mine, only in the "closing" direction, opening is much harder, but I expect this to be a coincidence based on tolerances on my pair, I don't see any mechanical reason for this. The Rivolier, having a lock quite similar to the HSS-9, are the easiest I tried so far. A bit of raking with a double half-ball and they're open.

So now I'm looking for new challenges. My next two candidates are ADI SAF-Lok and Peerless 710 HS. The peerless seem to be normal handcuffs pre-fitted with the "cuffmax" retrofitting kit, which advertises to have a "very hard to pick" Medeco lock. I don't know much about the SAF-Loks, though, except for that they are much more expensive than the 710

Has anybody tried to pick one of those? Due to the price and the good name of medeco locks the peerless currently would be my next favourite, but if someone says he has tried and they rake open quite easily I'd possibly rethink this...

Oh, and: did anybody try the new version of those black chinese leg-irons with the cross-beard (correct name? sorry, I'm german) lock? Also looks quite interesting, though I don't expect a very good lock there, so with a normal cross-beard pick they could open quite easy, using normal picks it could be quite a challenge though?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Martin

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Just wanted to say the Dan above is not Weasel Dandaw.

Not to take anything away from you Dan, but I wouldn't want people getting us confused. lol