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Michael Busch 07 Sep 2015
#1
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael























Michael Busch 22 Sep 2015
#2
Hello everyone,

and thank you very much to all who asked me about this handcuff; as requested I will provide you with some additional information about this cuff, the Horst Stein company and why I refer to this manacle as the "so-called" Horst Stein handcuff.

Some of you participated in the Cannons' Convention in 2009, and to those the following may be well known; I hope for the others it will be of interest.





The document above is a letter that I received from the Bavarian Archives of Economics in 2009. It provides us with several interesting information: Horst Stein was born on 22 September 1920 (we could celebrate his 95th birthday today!) and he founded his company on 28 September 1948, more than three years after the end of WW II in Germany.

The handcuff in question is stamped with D.R.P.a. and D.R.G.M.a., which are abbreviations for "German Reichs Patent applied for" and "German Trade Mark applied for". These abbreviations were used until the end of WW II, but not as late as 1948.

This means that the handcuff in question was made at a time, when the Horst Stein Company, and perhaps Horst Stein himself, did not even exist.

Here additionally a scan of the company's card with the trade register:



More information will follow soon.

Best wishes

Michael
Mark Lyons 22 Sep 2015
#3
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Michael,
Thanks for the research you are doing on this.
So, I am a little unclear about this. If I am understanding this correctly, then the date of the founding of the Horst Stein company seems to be 3 or more years AFTER they quite using the patent and registrations which are indicated by the stampings on the cuffs.
If true, then the cuffs are actually OLDER than the first cuff ever made by the Horst Stein company.
If I have this right, then I must ask; who made these cuffs?

I know that you are about to present more information and maybe that will clarify the million questions that I have about this right now.


mark
O--O
Ian McColl 23 Sep 2015
#4
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Excellent information, thank you Michael
Michael Busch 23 Sep 2015
#5
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hi again,

and thank you very much, Mark and Ian, for your interest in my writing.

Considering this old German flexible bow handcuff to be a product of the Horst Stein company was a mistake easy to make. Actually Horst Stein marketed a cuff that had some similarities, the model 609.





Comparing these handcuffs side by side one will notice that both have rubber-covered bycicle-chain style bows, lockcases in the center of the cuff and so-called anti-slip devices. On first glance one would say the one is the old pattern, the other one the new style coming from the same workshop; an assumption that kept unquestioned for quite a while.

The Horst Moabit line of restraints that was marketed by Horst Stein beginning in the early 1950s, was invented by a locksmith with the name Kurt Metk. This person also was the first manufacturer of these items.

The following links will lead to three patents on the name of Kurt Metk. Please use the arrow button in the upper left corner to get to the pictures:

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001769327U

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001673093U

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001652256U

There is a fourth patent issued to Metk in March 1953:

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001652585U



The old German flexible bow handcuff is recognizable in this patent, although the drawing and the real product differ from each other, which is not unusual. Please note that this patent like the other four was granted eight years after the war, it does NOT refer to the cuff's D.R.P.a./D.R.G.M.a. stamping.

Please have a look at the drawings and the written information on these drawings on all four patents and compare them with each other. I have also done that and to me the first three above quoted patents regarding the drawings and the writing look much more modern to me than the fourth one.

I am very sure that the drawings of the fourth patent (showing the old German flexible bow handcuff) were made many years before the drawings of the other patents, although all four patents were granted in about the same time frame.

Kurt Metk used to mark his products with a KM-stamp, here for example on a swing-through Horst Moabit handcuff:



There are two handcuffs in my collection that on first glance look like usual "Deutsche Polizei" cuffs. Here is one of them:



A closer look at the lockcase shows the Kurt Metk KM stamping and the word MOABIT:



My theory is: Kurt Metk worked for the August Schwarz company, he continued to produce Deutsche Polizei style handcuffs under his own name with the old machinery after the August Schwarz had ceased to exist, there he also got hold of the papers of the fourth patent, perhaps he was really the inventor.

This again means that the old German flexible bow handcuff was made by no-one else than the August Schwarz company.

Now please let me know what you think.

Best wishes

Michael
michael griffin 23 Sep 2015
#6
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hi Michael

excellent information. My questions are:

When did August Shwartz start and stop operations?
If Melk made these after Shwartz ceased operation then arent they made by some interim company and not august schwartz?

sorry if my question is confusing,,on way to starbucks
Chris Gower 23 Sep 2015
#7
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Brilliant work Michael and very interesting, looking forward to hearing more of the history.
Chris
Atame 23 Sep 2015
#8
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hello Michael,

thank you for the interesting information.

What I find really strange is that if you turn the Deutsche Polizei 180 degrees, the β€œK” is mirrored. So it rather looks like a β€œWK” or β€œKW” stamp.

BTW: does this cuff have a smaller sized (at the teeth) bow? I ask, because I have a strange version in my collection, too. It’s the one in the middle – only marked β€œEB33” on the lock case and β€œ1” on on the bow.

Best regards,
Guenter


Ian McColl 24 Sep 2015
#9
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hi Michael, thanks for sharing the information, the patents of these cuffs was the type of thing I wish I had in the beginning of my collecting and making cuffs some 36 years ago. great stuff, thanks
Michael Busch 24 Sep 2015
#10
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hi everyone,

and thanks a lot for your input!

Michael, the first document I know about referring to the August Schwarz company is this patent from 1921. As far as I know the company did not exist after 1945.

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 000363156A

It is just my idea that Kurt Metk may have continued making cuffs after the end of the Schwarz company, but this is just an assumption.

Thank you very much for your kind words, Chris, Guenter and Ian! I will try to find more stuff and post it here.

Of course you are right, Guenter, that the stamping on the DP cuff looks like "WK" and not "KM". When I saw this stamping for the first time years ago on an ebay auction I was so impressed by it that I did not look close enough (although I looked at it for long!) Still I believe that these cuffs come from the hands of Kurt Metk; having another handcuff maker in Berlin Moabit having a similar logo is less probable than having a metal stamp made without having the mirror effect in mind.

The KM DP handuffs have the usual bows, not the smaller one like you have. Possibly your cuff is an early version which had to be made bigger in order not to break?

Again, thank you all for your input!

Best

Michael
Michael Busch 25 Sep 2015
#11
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Hello again,

the handcuff now is offered on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141781011487?ss ... 1558.l2648

Best wishes

Michael
JBM 25 Sep 2015
#12
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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D.R.P and D.R.G.M was used until Germany became a Bundesrepublik in 1949. Then it changed to DBP and DBGM. For example does early post-war Rolleicord III cameras bear DRG and DRGM, even though the model was designed and introduced after WW2 ended. So DRG and DRGM are not always a sure indicator of pre-1945 manufacture.
Tremex 25 Sep 2015
#13
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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Access to the auction "blocked for legal reasons", on eBay France. Not easy to search for, and bid on, handcuffs nowadays. And yes, I know, VPN exists.
Michael Busch 29 Sep 2015
#14
Dear fellow collectors,

I have a so-called Horst Stein handcuff for sale. It is the version with anti-slip devices, please see pictures below. The handcuff is fully functional, the springs are very strong, all rubber covers are in place, the size-adjustment device also works smoothly.

In case you are interested please drop me a line at busch-michael(at)web.de

Best wishes,

Michael






















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@JBM As far as I know the Reichs Patent Office stopped its work in October 1945, five months after the end of WW II in Germany. The new German Patent Office was opened in Munich in October 1949, and there were no patents given in the meantime.

@Tremex Try to set the country code/language of your computer to English/US. This might help.
Volkec 29 Jan 2021
#15
Kurt MeTk or Kurt MeRk??? A company that produces sheet metal named Kurt MeRRRRk exists, however there is no trace of a company named Kurt MeTTTk.
Enris 24 Jul 2022
#16
Volkec wrote: ↑
Jan 29, 2021
Kurt MeTk or Kurt MeRk??? A company that produces sheet metal named Kurt MeRRRRk exists, however there is no trace of a company named Kurt MeTTTk.
Kurt Metk (this is the correct spelling according to his patent specifications) was a master locksmith and possibly an employee of Horst Stein.
djhalfdead 24 Jul 2022
#17
This is my first time seeing this post. I started on the forum, shortly after the Sept 2015 thread. Not sure how I missed the 2021 response from Volkec? Thank you for adding to the information and popping this back up on top of the news feed, Enris. This is fascinating to me as it mirrors a conversation that Michael Busch and I had through FaceBook concerning a "Horst Stein" Model 200 Leg Iron I recently added to my collection. Quite interesting to see that the manufacture of these pieces could pre-date when they were originally have thought to have been made. Excellent research and excellent spotting of the Patent/Pat applied for stamps!
-Richard Knip-
ronspitz 25 Jul 2022
#18
Hi Michael, Β it's been a long time. Β Hope all is well. Β Several years ago, I posted my Horst Stein cuff on the Forum. Β You asked me if there was a number above the keyhole and I replied yes, 130. Β I see that your cuff has 140. Β Could these numbers be a serial number? Β My cuff also has the patent and trademark lettering.

Ron
Enris 25 Jul 2022
#19
I had been helping friends last week to more accurately identify individual pieces from their handcuff collections. I myself have very few of the German pre-war models. That's why I looked in this forum and came across this highly interesting piece of information from Michael.

Michael did excellent research: The Horst Stein company was only founded after the Second World War (according to my research on September 6th, 1949). I find it unlikely that another Horst Stein made handcuffs under his name as early as the 1920-1930s. The "so-called" Horst Stein have the same temples as the model 608 (I think) of the "Horst Moabit" series, including these unique rings on it. This is probably why this pre-war model was called "Horst Stein".
Michael had linked the patents that Kurt Metk had filed. The patents are from the early to mid 1950s.

On the relationship between Horst Stein and Kurt Metk:
I assume Horst Stein was a businessman and not an engineer. He had hired the master locksmith Kurt Metk, possibly as the technical manager. I don't know how it is in other countries. This is quite common in Germany.

For my part, I suspect that Metk copied this pre-war model for the Horst Stein company and provided it with the typical locking system (square key).
What do you think?

Incidentally, when looking through these collections, I also found a handcuff that was similar to August Schwarz and had the same construction as the KM stamp that Michael had shown.

Thus, there should be four manufacturers of the "German Police" handcuffs: August Schwarz, Horst Stein, Carl Reher and Heinrich Hagge.

But I don't want to rule out the possibility that Horst Stein simply marked the remainder of August Schwarz's stock and then sold it.

Yes, I make a lot of assumptions. At this point I would like to express that I am very happy about your information in this forum. This has helped me a lot with my own collection and also when friends ask me for help. So thanks folks!
Unknown / guest 25 Jul 2022
#20
Volkec wrote: ↑
Jan 29, 2021
Kurt MeTk or Kurt MeRk??? A company that produces sheet metal named Kurt MeRRRRk exists, however there is no trace of a company named Kurt MeTTTk.
I would like to add the following to what I wrote above. If you are researching German companies, so-called GmbH (limited liability company) and "eingetragene Kaufleute" (e.K., registered merchants) are quite easy to find online. So I had found Horst Stein, Hanover myself, but not Horst Stein, Munich. In Munich, Horst Stein was perhaps only at the trade office of the city of Munich, but not as an e.K. registered in the commercial register.

Since Kurt Metk is or was a master locksmith, he has to be registered as a master craftsman at the "Handwerkskammer" (Chamber of Crafts) in addition to the municipal trade office, but not necessarily in the commercial register. Metal construction is considered a "geregeltes Handwerk" (regulated craft) in Germany, so you have to have a master craftsman's certificate or be an engineer to be registered at the Chamber of Crafts. So this is different to the commercial register.

As far as I know, it is not yet possible to research online in the "Handwerksrolle", in which the craftsmen are entered. The situation is similar with the municipal trade offices. This means that there could also have been a Kurt Metk company in Berlin-Schoeneberg.
After all this research it is possible that Horst Stein was a pure distribution company. Kurt Metk made the Horst Moabit series, Horst Stein took care of sales.
I happened to find an address directory from 1970 and a business directory from 1969 from Berlin. Kurt Metk, SchlossMstr (abbreviation Schlossermeister) is listed there.
In the branches it is under "Economic Articles".
https://digital.zlb.de/viewer/image/341 ... /LOG_0036/
So it's still open to me whether Kurt Metk actually produced the so-called Horst Stein in the 1930s. Later he did not copy them, but updated his own invention. However, I have not yet found the old patent (D.R.P.). I use Espacenet (https://www.epo.org/searching-for-paten ... cenet.html).