Why do police go with Smith&Wesson?

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

As the cuff is mainly used in the USA, it is very legal to shoot escaping felons there.
There is no need for a better handcuff as a handcuff is just a physical representation of "the law" and if you break the law (escape) you can be face further changes. handcuffs are not really designed to stop you escaping, they don't need to be.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

But they are also for safety. Last thing you want is a criminal getting a knife and stabbing you when you think he's cuffed in the back of your car. If I were in law enforcement I would be seeking permission to use Yuil handcuffs that retain an NIJ certification, knowing what I know now. And I would loby to get the whole department converted over due to comfort of prisoners to prevent legal issues, security of knowing the chances are low that they could escape and that every officer would have compatible keys. It is easy enough to modify a standard key to fit the new Yuil.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

no need for cuffs at all, just shoot them and let god sort it out.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

In my opinion, it's very anonymous. Especially for anonymous. Anonymously anonymous.

Wouldn't you agree?

Nils

(I fail to see why I should take part in discussions where people don't even have the courtesy to state their names.)

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

What knife? Arrested person must be searched. In the case of a dangerous criminal - very carefully searched. Otherwise there is no guarantee that it has a handcuff key in the shoe. Any handcuffed suspect must be supervised. See S&W handcuffs manual.
There is a simple rule - the more simple - the more reliable. Jammed handcuffs lock can be very costly.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

Nils, agreed about taking part in a conversations with anonymous people. Many here started replying to any and all "anonymous" and it became the normal, so I don't go by my name because the 'rude' way seems to be acceptable.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

I get sick of typing my name. Any other forum I go on and it shows up as me. So I just reply and I reply and oops either it's anonymous because I forget or through frustration I pick a random name. Nice forum, mostly nice people but the forum software is not that good.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

they use smith and westy because they dont know nothing about security. the poe lease get what ever is cheap and whats cheaper than basic security handfuccs?

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

Don't know nothing? Erm... ok?

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

Because they are cheap, and the older generation is the one buying the cuffs (they are administration). The Smith & Wesson brand name used to be big back in the day, mostly from handguns. Those cuffs were bought decades ago, but get handed down . .. . .

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

For all security systems you must have a clear threat model and intruder model must be very clear. Otherwise a lot of money will be spent in the shuffle. In case of handcuffs 99.9% of arrested and cuffed persons can't shim or use hairpin. The 0.1% rest is capable to open most handcuffs like Yuil. The relatively hard to pick Australian handcuffs are very expensive - more that $200 per pair. High security Peerless and S&W with BOA locks are also very expensive and less reliable. Talking about danger of proffesionals should not forget the possibility of most people pass cuffed hands from back to front. This is where the greatest danger.
Conclusion. The pick resistance of handcuffs used "on street" is absolutely useless but costly thing. In case of transport of dangerous criminals belly chain, Blue Boxes and other protection device are used and a pick resistance is again not a problem.

I mean they are good build quality typically, but they have no shim protection, 1 pawl so easy to pick, not only that but the key position/angle makes picking even easier. Peerless would be slightly better in terms of picking. Why don't police choose a better cuff that people cannot shim or easily pick? They exist, they are not prohibitively expensive either. True NIJ certified cuffs. They wouldn't need to pay a million bucks for the best of the best of the best or anything but about anything would be better than Smith and Wesson. Wouldn't you agree?

It's simple economics- buy several hundred duty pistols like the M&P, AND agree to have S&W send boxes of handcuffs over the course of several years for your department and get a discount. The S&W cuffs seem to work fine for duty use, and I've never seen anyone shim them. Offenders either try to slip them off or try to get their cuffs up front, that's about it. What I don't like about the S&W's is that since about 1997 they have lengthened the links by about 1/4" making the key way stick out the side of the black box, making it possible to use a standard key to open them even with the handcuff cover in use. I emailed S&W telling them about this, but they never responded and the cuffs are still made with the longer links, which is why Peerless cuffs with the key way in the center are better when using the black/blue box. Just my opinion after 15 years on the job moving prisoners.