My message to Alcyon and buyers of Alcyon

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

Alcyon was a good cuffs. But some year ago they began use a plastic insert in all models non hinged an non rigid model. Good handcuffs must not use plastic in construction

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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What kind of plastic parts do you mean?

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Let's look cuffland.com Alcyon section:
"It's the new version with black synthetics in the middle to reduce weight.."

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Yes, but what are the synthetics? Pawl bars? The "metal" between the cheap plates? What synthetic parts are used? Problems for durability etc?

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Don't rush to condemn plastic as "junk", and that "quality" handcuffs only can be made with high tensile steels ...........

Examples:

1) Hiatt Speedcuffs feature a plastic grip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatt_speedcuffs

2) Zak Tool #68 Handcuff Helper ( small wrists )

http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/zak68hahe.html

3) Plastic zip tie handcuffs are used by various police agencies worldwide

http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/flexcufs.html

4) C & S Security Fifth Model Black Box Handcuff Cover - This product uses ABS plastic in it's construction

http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/cs5thmoblbox.html

a) Aluminum is also used, a perfect example:

http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/Peerle ... cuffs.html

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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I mean cheek plates not cheap plates. I know some plastic is good. My concern is I have destroyed the key-based double locking on a pair of ASP handcuffs because I sprayed some oil in there and worked the key left, right, vigorously to work the oil into the mechanism. It scratched the plastic to buggery and no longer was possible to double lock via the key. Frankly I am surprised the double lock unlock part was not damaged in the same way.

So some plastic is good, but I just have some concerns which is why I am curious what exactly are the synthetic components in Alcyon these days?

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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SBD ........

Anonymous is a different person than "Anonimus"!

I defend the use of plastics & aluminum in cuffs, and one has to remember that even high tensile steel cuffs can be defeated by an individual who has nothing but time on their hands! [ No pun intended ]

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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The "most real" plastic cuff is the Trilock, from the 80s. Mainly Nylon, and a thin metal plate for body reinforcement (plastics is molded on these) plus metal lock.

https://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/index.cg ... 509&mode=1

https://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/index.php?s=Photos&i=83

Commercial (and technical) failure, only a few cuffs remains in collections.

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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In general, plastics are not bad. But in Spedcuffs and ASP plastic isn't the element of construction responsible for the strength. In case of Alcyon plastic is used in strenght critical place.
Aluminum alloys used in handcuffs can't be compared whith plastic. Have you heard about plastic cars?

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Have you heard about plastic cars?

Plastics are used extensively in modern autos, but it's not possible for 100% of the parts to be made of plastics .............

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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I have my daughter has one its pink and has a funny bopper horn

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Is that car capable of running on the Autobahn, Martin?

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Im not to familiar with german road laws so could not say lol

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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Vehicles which cannot sustain speeds of 60 km/h (37 mph) on the flat are not allowed on the Autobahn ..........

My latest video on the Alcyon Pro-Cuff 5050-RB (black)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIdIZh ... zWJYlbM8QC

Alcyon make some nice and very reasonably priced sturdy handcuffs. I do like them. They have changed their black finish to be a more durable one. Here is an excerpt of a reply to me regarding their black finish:

"Increasingly the industries are selecting cataphoresis as coating type due to its excellent finish quality, high productivity, reasonable costs and high efficiency. Cataphoresis can be used as a final finish or as an excellent base for other final finishes. It easily fits to original configurations maintaining the design tolerances on parts.

Some years ago we used the black oxide for these pieces but the problem was the corrosion...Now we have not this problem."


So they seem to care enough to evolve things. My main problems are with the tolerances. The poor (not top notch) tolerances mean that the last click of my model 5050-RB and I mean last proper click to where the handcuff is locked and does not flop around, will not double lock. Once you set the double lock and then press on the cuff it rotates, at which point someone with a small wrist who falls could crush their wrist, which is the primary reason for double locking, to prevent this. This is a bad problem in my opinion because for safety reasons that last click is useless, meaning you cannot safely close them quite as small as you are supposed to be able to.

Also in regard to tolerances, the lateral 'play' in the rotating arms/strands is such that in many cases, the tip of the arm clips the sides of the cheek plate (outer area of the handcuff) instead of travelling down the channel it is intended to move. In Alcyon's case, this has created deep and smooth chips of metal being impacted or chipped off. Also it stops the handcuff from positively interacting with the teeth when this happens, possibly leading to problems for police and security officers due to the securing of the cuff being a failure and someone struggling and attacking them.

I hope they pay attention to the email I sent or this message and I want to convey that if these issues are resolved, I think they have some great products. I would like to see a larger wrist capacity on their cuffs, perhaps a separate model, because UK police have a 17% larger size as standard and it is unlikely such a police force would opt for a handcuff with more limited sizing capabilities.

Just my 2 pence worth.

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In that case no it would not. More suited to a carpark with a speedlimit of 5mph say