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Mark Lyons 09 Nov 2017
#1


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
djhalfdead 09 Nov 2017
#2
Great addition to the collection, Mark! I would love to see these up close. I was in on the auction for a bit, but it got a little too rich for my blood. You did grab these at a great price though! Congrats, my friend. Very cool piece!
-Richard Knip-
Paul Davies 10 Nov 2017
#3


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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I've seen no evidence to suggest they were made by T&G and especially not Tower. Since one pair is stamped Hiatt, it is based on an English design and found in England, I'd assume English. But, since I have an American designed nipper stamped Hiatt, it is hard to be 100% positive. Paul
Mark 10 Nov 2017
#4


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Thanks Paul
I am not aware of one of these marked “Hiatt “

Might you be the fortunate one?

Mark
O—O
Paul Davies 10 Nov 2017
#5


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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The one from the gallery you posted is marked Hiatt - so not a Tower. Regards
Paul supporter 10 Nov 2017
#6


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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lauher 10 Nov 2017
#7


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Sorry Mark. My listing had Hiatt correct in the title, but somehow Tower made it into the text. I have correct the error now.

There is an example of one of these made by Thewlis Griffith, but it is not clear who made them. Did Thewlis Griffith make one for Hiatt or did Hiatt make one for Thewlis Griffith.

I have a conventional Thewlis Griffith nipper. I don't know who made it.

My locking nipper is very difficult to use. The screw as to be turned in many turns for it to open and it is very difficult to close the thing. I think it would have been nearly impossible to use it in the field. I am not surprised that they wer never widely used.

Joe
Mark Lyons 10 Nov 2017
#8


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Paul,

Thanks for pointing out the "Hiatt" marking on this unusual item.
I simply did not zoom in on it enough.

Joe,

I was questioning the "Tower" connection with this item but had to ask if indeed an error reared its ugly head in your gallery.
Do you have a picture of one of these with "Thewlis Griffith" markings?
I would like to see this.


Is it known if Thewlis Griffith was an actual manufacturer or did they merely private label their wares?

Mark
O--O
lauher 11 Nov 2017
#9


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Mark
Sorry, I do not have a picture. I am just working off memory. I think I am remembering a cuff sold on eBay many years ago.
It was the first time I ever saw a nipper of this style.

I think Thewlis & Griffith may have been a real manufacturer, but I have no idea what they actually made.
There is a copy of an advertisement for a conventional Thewlis & Griffith nipper in the Alex Nichols book.

Joe
djhalfdead 11 Nov 2017
#10


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Found this. Dont know if it helps or not?https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-147 ... aints.html

-Richard Knip-
lauher 11 Nov 2017
#11


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Richard
Good catch. I had forgot about that nipper from four years ago. The one I have been thinking about was much earlier, like in 2002 or so. I also remember bidding on this 2013 example and loosing out.
Joe
Paul Davies 11 Nov 2017
#12


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Thewlis & Griffith were a real manufacturer of a "Nipper" type restraint and the last one, shown above, could have been made by them or just sold by them, it is hard to tell and hard to see the stamp. This last one seems older and unrefined. All of them are different in some way, looking at the thickness and profile of the bows and where they meet the hinge. T&G of Warrington are mainly known for precision tools and instruments. If anyone has one marked T&G, I'd love to see it. Paul
Ron Spitz 12 Nov 2017
#13


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Mark,

Mine is marked THEWLIS & GRIFFITH on one side of the center hinged area. On the other side it is marked WARRINGTON and the marks C c I the center c being lower case and higher than the C and I.

Ron
Michael Busch 12 Nov 2017
#14


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Hi everyone,

I found a similar piece in 2015. It has no markings but some leather to prevent the skin from being hurt. Please see here:

https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5AAF695B
Paul Davies 12 Nov 2017
#15


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Thanks Guys.
Ron, I assume yours is the one 3 posts up which shows CcI and Warrington? - hard to read. Therefor it must have the T&G stamp on the other side. I have their more common nipper marked Thewlis & Co. I think the ones in question are earlier. Shaw Thewlis and Peter Griffith founded the business about 1838. Thewlis died in 1885 and was originally a file maker from Huddersfield, Yorkshire, born 1813.

Thewlis and Griffith are listed in directories in 1841 and 1869 in Mersey Street, Warrington. Later in 1921 and 1924 they are called Thewlis, Griffith & Edelsten Ltd, Mersey Street. On the more modern? nippers with the round hinge, Thewlis & Co, as a company name is harder to trace. I can only find a wholesale clothes manufacturer with that name.
Paul
Mark Lyons 13 Nov 2017
#16


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Ron, Can you post a pic of the markings?
You can send to me privately if you don't wish it public and/or I can post it here if you have trouble posting pics.
Is your cuff from the auction site posted above? If not, I would like to see your key as I am thinking that Hiatt made their key differently than T&G.

Michael, do you have an original key with yours? If so, I would like to see it as well
PS I owe you a phone call or skype as you asked me to get hold of you a while back.

I am trying to gauge how many of these seem to be out there. It seems that 5 or 6 are accounted for.

My seller believes mine is a T&G but I should be able to scrutinize it better hopefully this week.


Mark
O--O

Ron Spitz 13 Nov 2017
#17


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Sorry I posted my pictures in a new post which is untitled. I meant to post them here.

Ron
Mark Lyons 13 Nov 2017
#18


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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I reposted Ron's 3 pics here to make research in the future easier as this blog now contains the majority of the known combo cuffs.

Yours is a very nice example and it features yet another key variation.







Thanks for posting your pics...Hope to be a fellow member of the Thewlis Club this week

Mark
O--O
Ron Spitz 13 Nov 2017
#19


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Thanks Mark for moving the pics to this thread. Maybe Joe can delete the untitled post.

Ron
Paul Davies 13 Nov 2017
#20


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Ron's is different from the others in a couple of ways. The bows are flatter where it meets the hinge ie not a proper oval and instead of a leather guard like Michael's, the hinge has been rounded off to avoid pinching the skin. Nice.
The key is so simple that almost any key could be used if a correct thread is cut.
Mark Lyons 13 Nov 2017
#21


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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I reposted Michael's Nipper to make it easy to make comparisons.
It would be nice to see a pic of his key if it seems that it could be an original.

It would be interesting if the pitch is the same on all of these examples.
I realize that almost any key from the era could have been used by cutting off the end and cut the correct thread with the appropriate die.
I was hoping that some of these keys were identical with each other to indicate manufacturer.

My cuff will be arriving in todays mail so I will look for any markings on it.


Photo by Michael Busch<font size="2">


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wiki 14 Nov 2017
#22


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Metric fasteners are specified with a thread pitch instead of a thread count. The thread pitch is the distance between threads expressed in millimeters (measured along the length of the fastener). For example a thread pitch of 1.5 means that the distance between one thread and the next is 1.5mm.
lauher 15 Nov 2017
#23


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Here is a picture of another example from Gordon Gluff.

Chris Gower 15 Nov 2017
#24


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Really strange, a few years back I bought a very well presented glass case containing a Lockable Grip. It turned out to be an extremely well made cast resin copy marked T.Llewellyn 1839 which is identical to the one just posted and in the Gordon Gluff collection. Photo to follow, I can not find any info. on this company. Perhaps Paul can shed some light?
lauher 15 Nov 2017
#25


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Here is Chris's picture. It sure looks like a casting of the same nipper.

Paul Davies 15 Nov 2017
#26


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
O--O
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Cannot find a company called T Llewellyn. It may just be a personalized cuff. Hiatt were known to stamp Parish or owners names on cuffs during production in very large letters. The T Llewellyn name looks like a single stamping, if not engraved, and the number is more ad hoc, with different sized numbers and bad spacing. Usually a name and a date on a cuff meant it was part of a government order for Military or Civilian use (M&C) but I think 1839, if it is a date, is too early to be that and you'd expect to find more of them. The key head looks too perfect to be original, but I do not know for sure. Paul
Gordon 16 Nov 2017
#27


Hi all,
I am very pleased to have won the above item.

The seller believes it was used by Irish Constabulary around 1890.
It was believed to be made by Thewlis Griffith.

The below pic is in the Gallery at this site but it is listed as a Tower



Does anyone have any further information about these?
As far as I know, this might be the 4th one that I have seen picture of.

Incidentally, one sold on eBay in 2013 for almost 3 times what the going rate was on mine. Feeling lucky!
The Pratt Combo cuff is the closest thing I have seen to these as it could be used as a nipper or a cuff.
I don't believe I know of any other combo cuffs ever made.

I do not have them yet but I find it interesting that they can be snapped shut but enough force to release them is not exactly possible so the key is necessary to separate the 2 halves.

Mark
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It is my assumption that the name is that of the constable. The name is engraved on both sides, not stamped.
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