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#1I am convinced that the Russian Prison cuff is actually German. the locks are the same as the German VOPO cuffs.
Anyone have info that supoports it is German?
Stan
Anyone have info that supoports it is German?
Stan
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Russian Prison Cuff is German
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#2I think this picture comparing the 2 cuffs is also evidence that both cuffs are German.
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#3I have had my Russian Prison cuff for quite a few years and have always known the cuff by that name.
I too believe that it is of German manufacture. I believe that the keys might even be interchangeable between the two cuffs pictured above as even more evidence. If not, they are extremely close in size and function.
In my article in the 2006 annual, I wrote about this cuff and identified it as Russian, but I am thinking it might be time to consider its German heritage. Its workmanship is of a higher quality than just about all Russian Cuffs, if not the most.
Might anyone know how long these have been identified as Russian Prison Cuffs and who coined the term?
mark
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I too believe that it is of German manufacture. I believe that the keys might even be interchangeable between the two cuffs pictured above as even more evidence. If not, they are extremely close in size and function.
In my article in the 2006 annual, I wrote about this cuff and identified it as Russian, but I am thinking it might be time to consider its German heritage. Its workmanship is of a higher quality than just about all Russian Cuffs, if not the most.
Might anyone know how long these have been identified as Russian Prison Cuffs and who coined the term?
mark
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#4Hi All,
I also believe that these heavy cuffs are of German and not Russian origin, because of four reasons:
1. all of these cuffs I know came from East German. The seller at your auction lives in East Germany and my heavy handcuffs as well as my heavy handcuffs / leg irons combination (see picture) were purchased from East German dealers, too. Moreover I know one more collector who also has such a combination and he also lives in East Germany, where he bought this piece.
2. all other Russian handcuffs are made differently - much lighter, less complicated locks. But old (pre WWII) German handcuffs are often made in such a heavy and bulky way (e.g. Berliner, Dortmunder or bar handcuffs).
3. I had experience exchange with two Russian collectors and none of them believes that such handcuffs were ever made in Russia. Moreover one Russian collector told me that leg irons and combinations are banned in Russia since the revolution of 1917. I don't think that the restraints are older.
4. one of Cuffsland's customers, a gentleman who is over 60 years old, told us that when he was younger he has seen a documentation in the former GDR TV about the crimes of the Nazi regime. In this documentation he could see a part of an original Third Reich recording about a trial where the "delinquents" where chained with heavy and bulky handcuffs, which looked like the Early GDR Vopo Model 1 - after I showed him a picture of the "heavy Russian handcuffs" he told me that it might be possible that these where the handcuffs of the documentation. It's unlikely that the Nazi regime used Russian stuff.
Best regards,
Guenter
I also believe that these heavy cuffs are of German and not Russian origin, because of four reasons:
1. all of these cuffs I know came from East German. The seller at your auction lives in East Germany and my heavy handcuffs as well as my heavy handcuffs / leg irons combination (see picture) were purchased from East German dealers, too. Moreover I know one more collector who also has such a combination and he also lives in East Germany, where he bought this piece.
2. all other Russian handcuffs are made differently - much lighter, less complicated locks. But old (pre WWII) German handcuffs are often made in such a heavy and bulky way (e.g. Berliner, Dortmunder or bar handcuffs).
3. I had experience exchange with two Russian collectors and none of them believes that such handcuffs were ever made in Russia. Moreover one Russian collector told me that leg irons and combinations are banned in Russia since the revolution of 1917. I don't think that the restraints are older.
4. one of Cuffsland's customers, a gentleman who is over 60 years old, told us that when he was younger he has seen a documentation in the former GDR TV about the crimes of the Nazi regime. In this documentation he could see a part of an original Third Reich recording about a trial where the "delinquents" where chained with heavy and bulky handcuffs, which looked like the Early GDR Vopo Model 1 - after I showed him a picture of the "heavy Russian handcuffs" he told me that it might be possible that these where the handcuffs of the documentation. It's unlikely that the Nazi regime used Russian stuff.
Best regards,
Guenter