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Cuff of the Day for May 18. Romers

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lauher 18 May 2020
#1
Here is the schedule for coming days.  Take your pictures now.
18th Monday - Romer
19th  Tuesday  - Countries of the Former USSR
20th Wednesday -  Froggatt
21st  Thursday - Italy
22nd Friday - Clejuso
23rd  Saturday  Mattatuck, Maltby, and Judd
Nipper Madness Begins.   A series of days devoted to nippers, grips and come-alongs.   
24th Sunday - The US Patent List.  How many can we find?
25th Monday -  US Nippers - Not on the patent list, odd balls and copies.
26th Tuesday - British Nippers
27th Wednesday -  Nippers from Europe and the Rest of the World

Today is Romer Day

Romer cuffs are essentially two big padlocks on a chain.  Romer & Co of Newark, New Jersey was a major lock company.
Show us your Romer cuffs and locks.

I will start off with a Romer handcuff.
PaulJDavies 18 May 2020
#2
Leg irons
Fred Pittella 18 May 2020
#3
Romer handcuffs and legirons
holstcollection 18 May 2020
#4
I like the Romer and I've tried to improve my selection over time, without any success.
I only have a set of leg irons and handcuffs. The latter is for sure in need of an upgrading as it doesn't meet my demand in quality..
It's almost embarrassing to post them after seeing Fred's amazing collection!
 
Maybe I can excuse myself as it's very hard to find them from Sweden. If somebody have a nice set of handcuffs and open for business or trade, I'm interested.


Lars
gordonHC 18 May 2020
#5
ROMER
Brass handcuff and leg-iron
Mark Lyons O--O Cuffs 18 May 2020
#6
I have a nice pair of cuffs and leg irons but they are nothing special to include in todays topic.
The only thing I can contribute to this topic is that Houdini called these cuffs, The Jersey Cuffs.
This of course was in reference to the location of the Romer factory.
The only noteworthy Romer is my factory Cut-A-Way padlock that was going to be included in John Bushey's Romer article.
He was not able to complete his work.
Unknown / guest 18 May 2020
#7
Another thing that is odd is that EVERY Romer HC or Leg Iron I have ever seen comes with an aftermarket key.
Much like a Lily, I 've never seen an original key.

Beautiful pair of cuffs, Gordon.  I wonder why the leg iron chain is half as long as the steel ones.  Perhaps they were used where walking around was not desired.
Transportation or court house setting.
Fred Pittella 18 May 2020
#8
holstcollection wrote: ↑
May 18, 2020
I like the Romer and I've tried to improve my selection over time, without any success.
I only have a set of leg irons and handcuffs. The latter is for sure in need of an upgrading as it doesn't meet my demand in quality..
It's almost embarrassing to post them after seeing Fred's amazing collection!
 
Maybe I can excuse myself as it's very hard to find them from Sweden. If somebody have a nice set of handcuffs and open for business or trade, I'm interested.


Lars
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 There is noting to be embarrassed about  We shouldn't consider this sharing as a competition ....We all have a piece other collectors would want to add to there collections and vice a versa ...It's just great to see pieces you never saw or didn't even know existed 

So no matter what you have why not should share
chriscuffs6 18 May 2020
#9
I agree with you Fred, this is not a competition. We are here to share our thoughts and hopefully encourage new collectors to contribute no matter what they have. I am sure we can all remember the first few items that started our interest.
I only have a set of Romer Legirons, got these from Tom Gross many years ago when he visited me. I am pretty certain they are a pair but the chain has been cut and a figure 8 link put in. I am very interested to know whether the keys are interchangeable? How many different keys exist?
Never got a set of their handcuffs but I did buy the last castings that Ian McColl had, photo shows the various parts - think it will be a nice project on a winters evening to assemble them.
lauher 18 May 2020
#10
A Leg Iron with a Short Chain.
holstcollection 18 May 2020
#11
Sorry for my posting, I expressed myself in a bad way. No, this is not a competition. The thing is that I've been looking for some good Romers for more than 20 years with absolutely no luck. The crappy handcuffs with a crack at the hinge was an unlucky auction I regret. My posting was an expression over my frustration over bad luck hunting. I hope I didn't offend anybody as that was not my intention.

Lars
chriscuffs6 18 May 2020
#12
No problem Lars with your posting. We all respect you for the quality of the items in your collection. Must admit my philosophy was to have a list of what I wanted and when I got it I crossed it off the list. Never really thought about how bad an item was or looking for a better example. Your attention to detail and quality of the items in your collection is a credit to you. Well done.
holstcollection 18 May 2020
#13
Thank you Chris!
Fred Pittella 19 May 2020
#14
holstcollection wrote: ↑
May 18, 2020
Sorry for my posting, I expressed myself in a bad way. No, this is not a competition. The thing is that I've been looking for some good Romers for more than 20 years with absolutely no luck. The crappy handcuffs with a crack at the hinge was an unlucky auction  I regret. My posting was an expression over my frustration over bad luck hunting. I hope I didn't offend anybody as that was not my intention.

Lars
I must apologize Lars if I had said something that upset you. The last thing I wanted was you to be offended by any of my remarks. As Chris has said you are well respected my friend and your collection is behind words your eye and luck for pristine cuffs is amazing. The condition of your collection blows me away! So many that I would be proud to have in my collection. I have been collecting close to fifty-years now(did I just say that out loud)still searching for cuffs on my list still frustrated that these cuffs are not crossed off yet. But part of collecting is the people we meet that we now call friends and I'm lucky enough to call most my friend!  We all have that list of cuffs we would like to add to our collections but for whatever reason has escaped our reach. I was just trying to get some of the other collectors to participate it seems like there is only a handful that are participating with a lot of lookers who could be posting Chris said it so well " We are here to share our thoughts and hopefully encourage new collectors to contribute no matter what they have. I am sure we can all remember the first few items that started our interest" Lets face it we are only caretakers of these pieces of history we have to encourage new collectors to be able to have someone to pass on the passion we have for these pieces. What stared me was the Bean Giant so with that happy collecting my friends, 
holstcollection 19 May 2020
#15
Fred,
 
Absolutely no need to apologize and I’m not offended at all! It was me who expressed myself clumsy! The Romer is for some strange reason a “weak spot” in my collection as I’ve really tried to gather a good selection of them for many years but totally failed. The Romer are for sure very rare but it has been easier to find cuffs much rarer than them. The Romer just don’t want to get here, that’s it.
 
The Covid-19 epidemy is gruesome but without it, we probably wouldn’t have this great activity with collectors showing specimen we probably never would have seen.
 
The thing you wrote about “caretakers” is very true! As Cat Stevens sang; “we only live on the earth for a short while”. Our collections will remain much longer than us. The only thing we can do is to maintain our collections and especially the history and knowledge around them. This Forum has a very important task to fill for collectors after us.
 
I must confess a problem of mine, I’m a morbid perfectionist and that’s a very hard way of living. I have replaced a great number of cuffs in my collection over time. When I see a better set, I try to buy it. Then the first one will be replaced. It’s not always a cheapest way of collecting but I just can’t help it. Now, let’s continue this great way of showing each other our artifacts. And adding history!
 
Lars
Unknown / guest 19 May 2020
#16
As a very small compensation for not having a good selection of Romer restraints, here is a cute little Romer brass padlock.
djhalfdead 19 May 2020
#17
I am sorry for being a day late to the party, everyone. I was removing malware that I had acquired from my PC, when one of the pieces, decided to grab a boot file from my hard drive and take it as it left. I was unable to get into my computer until late last night. A very frustrating day, to say the least! But, im back up and running, now! Not bad for a guy who is not very tech savvy and has Youtube, on a separate device! LOL!

Romer is a name that has been on my radar, a lot, recently. It has taken a long time to land a set of handcuffs, which I did last year. It also held the title of most expensive piece that I have added to my collection through the years. It held that title...until I found the matching leg irons! Now, my leg irons are the most expensive piece that I have added. I bought them without a key and not even knowing for sure if they worked. I would have to source someone with a working key to send these to to have them try their key in to verify they were in good condition. I had contacted Mark Lyons, late at night, through Facebook messenger. My hours are kind of opposite of most people's. Im usually up all night, sleep a little bit in the morning and up all day again. That being said, i owe an apology to Mark. I am sorry for waking you at such an early hour on Facebook. That was not my intention. I was hoping to leave a message, that you would receive the next time you logged in. However, that wasnt the case. I had actually disturbed your slumber and didnt feel right about continuing to harass you any further. So, i abandoned that attempt. I am very sorry for the intrusion.

I had also contacted Ian about Romer keys. Ian had done his best to assist me in showing me how a key would likely have to be cut, to work for these irons and what key blanks I could modify to make a working key. Thank you for the advice, Ian. I contacted Glenn (i apologize but i have lost your last name in time, somewhere), to see if he had any key blanks for a Romer. He had a few, but i still didnt know what key cut it would take to open them. Glenn and I shared a couple of long, conversations on the phone, during this. You would have thought we were high school buddies from way back! LOL! I appreciate you taking the time to stop the world for a few hours and just chat about anything and everything! Thank you so much, Glenn!

I had remembered a pic that Fred Pittella had posted a while back showing 5 different cuts for Romer keys. So, I reached out to Fred. Fred was more than gracious and accepted the challenge of testing my cuffs and making a tracing of the working key, for me. As soon as I got the cuffs in hand, i checked them over for a few minutes, boxed them and shipped them to New York, that same day! Fred received the box in good shape and examined my cuffs. He tried all of his keys and did not find the working key until he was down to one last key. So, I was extremely lucky! Fred had let me know the good news and resent my package out to me. When I received the box, i immediately tore it open like a kid at Christmas! Inside , not only did i find my irons and the tracing of the working key, I also found 2 Romer blank keys that had been hand filed to fit the cuffs! I was floored! Fred had actually taken the time to make me a working key for the cuffs! Upon talking to him, he had relayed how one of the keys worked, but the other would need some more filing to complete the cuts. While he was working on filling them, his hands and wrists grew tired and were in pain. It seems that Carpel Tunnel was making an appearance that would end the attempt to finish the second key. I tried to offer him payment for his keys and his assistance and labor. Fred did not want any compensation for his efforts. I am very humbled to think that a fellow collector would be so kind as to give me these gifts and not ask for anything in return. That Fred would push himself, until he couldnt continue because of the pain, to make me a couple of keys. I know I said it a lot in emails, but I just want to thank Fred, one last time. Thank you very much, Fred! Your good deed will not go unnoticed. I promise to make good on the request for a drink, the next time we meet! Without you and your generosity, I would still be trying to source a key for these leg irons. I had several friends come together on this venture and I say thank you, to everyone, who hand a hand in making any of this possible! I am very grateful to all, for the outpouring of assistance! And I promise, Mark Lyons, that I will not send any more messages, at that early of an hour, in the day.

Finally...this is my modest Romer collection, so far. I have a small brass padlock that has no key to it, yet. I have looked for a key, every year in Indianapolis, and have come up short in my searches. But, I learned how to pick this lock open, so i still use it on a display leather belt, outfitted with Hiatt Darby handcuffs. I have one set of the Small Romer handcuffs that are complete with a key and are fully functional. Then, of course, my lasted acquisition, the large sized Romer Leg Irons! You can see the key that Fred had made for them, attached to the chain of the irons. The key works great! The springs on the irons are still in great shape and opens them with a "pop" and the irons close with a crisp, "snap!" All in all, this small Romer collection is something I am very grateful for. I know how hard is is to find these. No matter the material value on these, my Romer Leg Irons will always hold the value of my friendships I have acquired through this board. They will hold a special place on my displays and in my heart.
-Richard Knip-
ronspitz 19 May 2020
#18
Here are two of my Romers, a leg iron and handcuff which was most likely used in a prison due to the markings on the cuff.

Ron