I like modern cuffs with new innovations.ssbaldwin wrote: ↑Jul 15, 2021Way to go Mark and thanks for the heads up but it remains to be seen if they really catch on.
The fact that they use a standard key is a plus but I wonder about the cost.
Spencer
My read was that they use a standard key, but you have to push the top and bottom buttons in simultaneously in order to unlock. So, push both buttons then turn the key, so that would make it a challenge to get out of with the key, but doesnt need a different key.. I could be wrong, but that was my read of the websitePhilcheck wrote: ↑Click to expand...Jul 16, 2021Speaking as a former Officer here who at the end of my career worked the squadrol van which was a prisoner transport van taking arrestees to jail for booking. Having an odd set of cuffs requiring a different key would be a hassle. Unless a agency issued all the same cuffs to every officer at once it would be a huge problem with cuffs needing a different key.
When my partner and I were called to pick up an arrestee for transport we would often switch out cuffs on the prisoner. We would give the officer back their cuffs right there at the scene so we didn’t have to meet up with them later to return their cuffs to them. Many officers are very attached to their cuffs since they carry and use them for years and don’t want them lost in the system.
Often a busy night taking 20+ to booking in a shift we had run out of cuffs and had to leave officer,s cuffs in their mailbox in roll call room for them to pick up. I just cant imagine dealing with a pair here and there with a need for an odd key to unlock during the chaos.
If these come available I will be buying them for my odd cuff collection of modern handcuffs.
Sorry I should have been a little more clear about the idea I was trying convey. Someone earlier had posted as to why not make a cuff with a whole new key design. A new key design would not work in the situations as I discussed. They have come up with a clever idea to improve security of cuffs and defeat a legit concern with handcuffs out there. And also without the use of a new key design.james.slips wrote: ↑Click to expand...Jul 16, 2021My read was that they use a standard key, but you have to push the top and bottom buttons in simultaneously in order to unlock. So, push both buttons then turn the key, so that would make it a challenge to get out of with the key, but doesnt need a different key.. I could be wrong, but that was my read of the websitePhilcheck wrote: ↑Jul 16, 2021Speaking as a former Officer here who at the end of my career worked the squadrol van which was a prisoner transport van taking arrestees to jail for booking. Having an odd set of cuffs requiring a different key would be a hassle. Unless a agency issued all the same cuffs to every officer at once it would be a huge problem with cuffs needing a different key.
When my partner and I were called to pick up an arrestee for transport we would often switch out cuffs on the prisoner. We would give the officer back their cuffs right there at the scene so we didn’t have to meet up with them later to return their cuffs to them. Many officers are very attached to their cuffs since they carry and use them for years and don’t want them lost in the system.
Often a busy night taking 20+ to booking in a shift we had run out of cuffs and had to leave officer,s cuffs in their mailbox in roll call room for them to pick up. I just cant imagine dealing with a pair here and there with a need for an odd key to unlock during the chaos.
If these come available I will be buying them for my odd cuff collection of modern handcuffs.
GOT IT, Angle of the dangle ! Pivot point of the pawl is placed high in the lock. Any pressure on the pawl by reversing of the bow actually forces the pawls harder against the bow.Ian McColl wrote: ↑Jul 17, 2021What prevents the bow from being pulled backward prior to double locking? The pawl teeth are triangular like a bridge jump cuff. A theoretical way to open this cuff is to use the key (which would act as the tension tool) the then push either button as if to set tumblers with a pick to a shearline.
Being double-jointed might help, so be sure to let us know how you get on. Remember, arms behind your back, palms out.james.slips wrote: ↑Jul 16, 2021The Gotchas do indeed use a star wheel.
Interesting idea.. I like the way that initially they say initially cannot be unlocked by the wearer.. but then later 'nearly impossible'... I think it would take some doing to push both buttons and turn the key, but I can see how with some patience I could get it... but I am double jointed and pretty supple thanks to years of Aikido... will be fun to try...
Hoping they actually make them, and I'll get a chance to try. Although I do agree with @wonttakeoff above.. similar dreams from other cuff manufacturers...and the more I think about it, the more I think this problem has largely already been solved by single key-way rigid and hinged cuffs. As you point out, cuffed properly, behind the back with single holed rigid or hinged cuffs pointing up and away from the hands already makes it "nearly impossible" to escape even with a key unless you very obviously move them to the front. So.. super cool idea, I'd love to have a pair in my collection, but I have to agree, tough sell and doubt they'll catch on.Bearded Mike wrote: ↑Click to expand...Jul 17, 2021Being double-jointed might help, so be sure to let us know how you get on. Remember, arms behind your back, palms out.james.slips wrote: ↑Jul 16, 2021The Gotchas do indeed use a star wheel.
Interesting idea.. I like the way that initially they say initially cannot be unlocked by the wearer.. but then later 'nearly impossible'... I think it would take some doing to push both buttons and turn the key, but I can see how with some patience I could get it... but I am double jointed and pretty supple thanks to years of Aikido... will be fun to try...
Good luck!
Sad :(CuffedUpInIrish wrote:Their website no longer functions so guess we can say these will never come to light?
