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djhalfdead 04 Jul 2022
#1
Hello to the group, from your friend in Illinois! I just wanted to share a few of my latest finds and acquisitions for my collection. The buying/selling market has been a bit slow as of lately. But, that hasnt completely stopped me. I was able to pick up some things. In this pic is an odd unknown backstrap darby. Ive never seen one quite like this? If anyone knows anything or has one similar, please share. There is also a set of German 1920s Leg irons with a key. Most collectors believe this set to have been made by Horst Stein. But, after talking with Michael Busch in Germany, he let me know that Horst Stein did not make restraints at the time when this wold have been made? So, as for right now, the maker is just unknown. A set of 1979 Marlin Daley Model 1 Bottlenecks with one of Ian's keys. They look great and work great! The key operates them perfectly! This key and the Tower Double lock keys were probably two of the best keys Ian made at the time. A set of Gotcha Hinged cuffs. Finally was able to add a Gotcha to my collection! Oddly enough, i found that a key that was made for me by Ron Jones for use with a Judd Handcuff, work with this set! The lock mechanism is very similar to a Judd, but instead of just a triangle shaped piece under the center post, the entire post is triangle shaped. The springs are very stiff, making these almost impossible to pick open. A model 1  Variation 1 Peerless handcuff made by S&W. It is in near mint condition and works flawlessly! A Henry Repeating Arms Handcuff. This one does have a few scratches and gouges, mainly on the back side. Signs that somebody removed the pins to remove the pawl and center post, likely to repair them at some point. But, the signs of repair are on one side that has a weak spring. It still locks and functions, but not a very stiff ratchet on the one side. These will be a place holder in my collection, until i find a better pair to take their place. Last, is a set of Hiatt Model 1960 Handcuffs, but this set is factory made in black. I had never seen one in black before, so I had to buy it! LOL! It might as well have been listed as new, never used. they are in prefect shape!

There have been many other things I have put in the collection lately. But, none were as interesting as this lot. A few items i have shared on other posts, that i didnt add to this post. Even with not much to buy on the market, ive still managed to spend my money! LOL! How has everyone else been doing on their hunts? Please share your new items with the group! Lets see what youve found these last few months!
-Richard Knip-
rejones68 04 Jul 2022
#2
Richard as you know I was able to get a Tower 3 way cuff this week and today I added a Rankin cuff as well to my small but growing collection. Thanks for the spot on my key on your post sir. It’s always nice to hear what keys are interchangeable. Ron J
djhalfdead 04 Jul 2022
#3
Very nice Ron! He showed me the Rankins yesterday. They are a nice set! I seen them hit Ebay this morning. Congratulations on the purchase! And Im still jealous on the Tower 3-way! Great find! Thanks for sharing both of those with us on this post!
-Richard Knip-
rejones68 04 Jul 2022
#4
djhalfdead wrote: ↑
Jul 04, 2022
Very nice Ron! He showed me the Rankins yesterday. They are a nice set! I seen them hit Ebay this morning. Congratulations on the purchase! And Im still jealous on the Tower 3-way! Great find! Thanks for sharing both of those with us on this post!
-Richard Knip-
I’m a little jealous of those 1879 Marlin bottlenecks you have, they look to be in almost new condition. You definitely have some nice finds my friend. Ron J
djhalfdead 04 Jul 2022
#5
rejones68 wrote: ↑
Jul 04, 2022
djhalfdead wrote: ↑
Jul 04, 2022
Very nice Ron! He showed me the Rankins yesterday. They are a nice set! I seen them hit Ebay this morning. Congratulations on the purchase! And Im still jealous on the Tower 3-way! Great find! Thanks for sharing both of those with us on this post!
-Richard Knip-
I’m a little jealous of those 1879 Marlin bottlenecks you have, they look to be in almost new condition. You definitely have some nice finds my friend. Ron J
Thanks Ron!
PaulJDavies 05 Jul 2022
#6
Richard, 
The Darby is a false backstrap, ie the bow is cast. Very much like the RCS ones but looks chunkier. Are there any dots stamped on the side of the bow.  Can I see the end caps?
Paul
djhalfdead 05 Jul 2022
#7
My apologies, Paul. I meant to put "false" backstrap, and my fingers skipped right over it. There are no markings anywhere on this set, nor on the key. They are pretty beat up, as you can see. They are a bit chunkier than an R.C.S. False Backstrap Darby, as you mentioned. The end caps do remind me of a couple of German Darbys I have, but i dont think these are of German origin? I purchased them out of the U.K.
-Richard Knip-
Bjoern70 05 Jul 2022
#8
Richard,
you'll find the 1953 patent file for your Kurt Metk leg irons here:
https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001652585U
/R
Björn
djhalfdead 05 Jul 2022
#9
Bjoern70 wrote: ↑
Jul 05, 2022
Richard,
you'll find the 1953 patent file for your Kurt Metk leg irons here:
https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/d ... 001652585U
/R
Björn
Very Interesting, Bjorn! Thank you for sharing that with me. I dont think this is the same as my leg iron, however. Looking at the drawings on the patent and comparing them to my Leg Iron, mine is more crudely made. It only has the one hole for the peg at the end of the shackle to go into to lock. The patent shows two holes to allow for size adjustments. The patent shows the shackle arm its self as a series of bike chain style links that are covered in a tubing to protect the wearer's leg. Mine only has the bike chain style link at the point where the shackle arm meets the Cuff's body. The rest of the arm is made from a flexible cable of some type, but it does not feel like a bicycle chain underneath the coating material. The key that the handcuff uses, im guessing would be the same key the leg irons use? If that is the case, mine is a very simple lock mechanism. Just 1 single locking lever. Very easy to pick open. It almost looks like the 1953 patent is for improvements based off of this earlier Model? Michael Busch looked at mine and verified it was the earlier model, he suggests from the 1920s. The only thing stamped on the sides of mine are the letters "DRGM." Which I believe is a designation that these were used by the military in Germany? They have the #200 stamped above the lock on each cuff. Maybe Model 200 or serial number 200? I do not know?
-Richard Knip-
thenarsian 05 Jul 2022
#10
Hello Richard,
The following is from a Saxophone web site.                           https://bassic-sax.info/blog/2013/early ... ignations/

D.R.G.M., or sometimes DRGM (Deutsches Reichsgebrauchsmuster), is not a German patent. It was instead a way for inventors to register a product’s design or function in all states within Germany. From 1891 to 1952, products manufactured in Germany might have been stamped with this D.R.G.M. designation, if the manufacturer opted not to pay the outrageous patent fees that Germany was charging, but instead chose to copyright their product’s intended way of use, or design. This copyright was initially for a period of 3 years, with an option to extend it for another 3. This gave the copyright owner a maximum of 6 years protection. As already noted, German patents were outrageously expensive, and many manufacturers could not afford the fees to register a full patent (fees for German patents were 36 times more than American patent fees). Those that could afford a German patent, had their products stamped with D.R.P. or DRP, which stands for Deutsches Reichspatent. Such a patent granted the patent holder a full 15 years protection.
Bjoern70 05 Jul 2022
#11
Richard,
I'm sure that your leg irons have been made earlier than in the 1950s, but other related patent files / utility model applications are not available. Therefore the file linked above seems to be best reference to their maker.
I have similar leg irons in my collection with the marking "200" above the keyhole and markings "DRPa" and "RGMa" on the sides of the body. The matching handcuffs in my collection (shown as Fig. 1 in that file) are marked "140", "DRPa" and "DRGMa".

/R
Björn
rejones68 07 Jul 2022
#12
rejones68 wrote: ↑
Jul 04, 2022
Richard as you know I was able to get a Tower 3 way cuff this week and today I added a Rankin cuff as well to my small but growing collection. Thanks for the spot on my key on your post sir. It’s always nice to hear what keys are interchangeable. Ron J
Don’t buy these if you see them on eBay. The Rankins can be pulled open ( no spring in on cuff) the Towers aren’t original the link has been cut. So unless your just looking for a place holder you’ve been warned. Ron J
holstcollection 07 Jul 2022
#13
Hi Ron,

It's always a great disappointment when receiving stuff in this condition. Broken or fainted springs on Rankins is unfortunately not unusual.
When having Rankin cuffs, always store them unlocked not to add extra pressure to the springs.

Lars
rejones68 07 Jul 2022
#14
holstcollection wrote: ↑
Jul 07, 2022
Hi Ron,

It's always a great disappointment when receiving stuff in this condition. Broken or fainted springs on Rankins is unfortunately not unusual.
When having Rankin cuffs, always store them unlocked not to add extra pressure to the springs.

Lars
Lars thanks for the advice maybe someday I will actually get to own a working set. Ron J
djhalfdead 07 Jul 2022
#15
rejones68 wrote: ↑
Jul 07, 2022
holstcollection wrote: ↑
Jul 07, 2022
Hi Ron,

It's always a great disappointment when receiving stuff in this condition. Broken or fainted springs on Rankins is unfortunately not unusual.
When having Rankin cuffs, always store them unlocked not to add extra pressure to the springs.

Lars
Lars thanks for the advice maybe someday I will actually get to own a working set. Ron J
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Ron, take a look at the pic of Your open Rankin and look at Lar's. It may not be your spring? Your locking tooth is pretty worn down. That may be what is keeping yours from staying locked. Ntice the shape of the hook on the end of Lars's cuff's locking tooth. Yours is almost completely missing. This isnt too uncommon with the way these cuffs get puulled open, even after the key is inserted. Over time, the metal wears down. You can build up and reshape the locking tooth with some weld and filing/grinding, but thats your call. If it were me, i would send them back, since they came through Ebay. Just my advice.
-Richard Knip-
PaulJDavies 08 Jul 2022
#16
Speaking of Rankins. I have this 1944 Australian version in the mail. Hopefully it works properly as promised. There are 3 of these in handcuff collections as far as I know. There may be more in military collections.
ssbaldwin 08 Jul 2022
#17
For what it’s worth my Rankin leg irons do not have a swivel in the chain.

Spencer
PaulJDavies 08 Jul 2022
#18
These are a knock-off of the Rankin, hence the swivel and thicker lock case differences, but essentially they work the same. Made for Australian Department of Defence by Norlin Products.
PaulReardon 16 Jul 2022
#19
re: dots on false backstrap cuff

Hello Paul Davies & fellow collectors, 

I have two dots per bow on a pair of mine.  Not dated, but has:  1) the broad arrow mark  2) a gov't contract? number of 2771   3) a serialized cuff and key - in addition the number 2 appears under the serial number on the endcap.  

Always assumed that it's an RCS, or maybe MCI. The JG's seem to have slightly domed endcaps. 

Any idea as to the meaning of the dots (I've assumed a cuff size indicator) , or what manufacture they likely are?

Warmest Wishes from Pine Lake, GA USA
rejones68 16 Jul 2022
#20
PaulReardon wrote: ↑
Jul 16, 2022
re: dots on false backstrap cuff

Hello Paul Davies & fellow collectors, 

I have two dots per bow on a pair of mine.  Not dated, but has:  1) the broad arrow mark  2) a gov't contract? number of 2771   3) a serialized cuff and key - in addition the number 2 appears under the serial number on the endcap.  

Always assumed that it's an RCS, or maybe MCI. The JG's seem to have slightly domed endcaps. 

Any idea as to the meaning of the dots (I've assumed a cuff size indicator) , or what manufacture they likely are?

Warmest Wishes from Pine Lake, GA USA
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Sir I will agree with you, I believe they’re RCS my JG’s as you’ve stated have a domed end cap. Ron J
escapeguy 20 Jul 2022
#21
djhalfdead wrote: ↑
Jul 04, 2022
Hello to the group, from your friend in Illinois! I just wanted to share a few of my latest finds and acquisitions for my collection. The buying/selling market has been a bit slow as of lately. But, that hasnt completely stopped me. I was able to pick up some things. In this pic is an odd unknown backstrap darby. Ive never seen one quite like this? If anyone knows anything or has one similar, please share. There is also a set of German 1920s Leg irons with a key. Most collectors believe this set to have been made by Horst Stein. But, after talking with Michael Busch in Germany, he let me know that Horst Stein did not make restraints at the time when this wold have been made? So, as for right now, the maker is just unknown. A set of 1979 Marlin Daley Model 1 Bottlenecks with one of Ian's keys. They look great and work great! The key operates them perfectly! This key and the Tower Double lock keys were probably two of the best keys Ian made at the time. A set of Gotcha Hinged cuffs. Finally was able to add a Gotcha to my collection! Oddly enough, i found that a key that was made for me by Ron Jones for use with a Judd Handcuff, work with this set! The lock mechanism is very similar to a Judd, but instead of just a triangle shaped piece under the center post, the entire post is triangle shaped. The springs are very stiff, making these almost impossible to pick open. A model 1  Variation 1 Peerless handcuff made by S&W. It is in near mint condition and works flawlessly! A Henry Repeating Arms Handcuff. This one does have a few scratches and gouges, mainly on the back side. Signs that somebody removed the pins to remove the pawl and center post, likely to repair them at some point. But, the signs of repair are on one side that has a weak spring. It still locks and functions, but not a very stiff ratchet on the one side. These will be a place holder in my collection, until i find a better pair to take their place. Last, is a set of Hiatt Model 1960 Handcuffs, but this set is factory made in black. I had never seen one in black before, so I had to buy it! LOL! It might as well have been listed as new, never used. they are in prefect shape!

There have been many other things I have put in the collection lately. But, none were as interesting as this lot. A few items i have shared on other posts, that i didnt add to this post. Even with not much to buy on the market, ive still managed to spend my money! LOL! How has everyone else been doing on their hunts? Please share your new items with the group! Lets see what youve found these last few months!
-Richard Knip-IMG_1004.JPG
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Excellent leg iron from Germany.  I have one with the steel cable