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CuffedUpInIrish 11 Nov 2022
#1
Sooooo, unlike many here, I'm pretty inexperienced and very much an amateur in all these things, so one thing that gets me confused is the different variants one can find in handcuffs and what they truly are.

For example, it seems to me Hagge, LIPS, SPE and SHN all appear to be more or less the same but from different countries (as far as I understand, Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands?). Which begs the question which of these would ultimately end up being ''better'' than others?

Then looking at things like ASP and all the variations they offer on their site, for example, I simply cannot fathom what makes one different or better from another, apart from some having the push button double lock feature, but that's it. 

And then what is actually available. If anyone has any sort of source that shows makes/models that are in or out of production or whatever, that'd be awesome. For example, HSS9s are no longer in production but HSH1s are, Goncz are no longer made but S&W is etc.

Speaking of ASPs - if anyone can clarify if there are really green Identifier handcuffs in their OLDER version (the solid colours, not the striped ones), or better yet, have such ones for sale (for all colours), please let me know!
CuffmanBelgium 11 Nov 2022
#2
CuffedUpInIrish wrote: ↑
Nov 11, 2022
Sooooo, unlike many here, I'm pretty inexperienced and very much an amateur in all these things, so one thing that gets me confused is the different variants one can find in handcuffs and what they truly are.

For example, it seems to me Hagge, LIPS, SPE and SHN all appear to be more or less the same but from different countries (as far as I understand, Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands?). Which begs the question which of these would ultimately end up being ''better'' than others?

Then looking at things like ASP and all the variations they offer on their site, for example, I simply cannot fathom what makes one different or better from another, apart from some having the push button double lock feature, but that's it. 

And then what is actually available. If anyone has any sort of source that shows makes/models that are in or out of production or whatever, that'd be awesome. For example, HSS9s are no longer in production but HSH1s are, Goncz are no longer made but S&W is etc.

Speaking of ASPs - if anyone can clarify if there are really green Identifier handcuffs in their OLDER version (the solid colours, not the striped ones), or better yet, have such ones for sale (for all colours), please let me know!
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My collection can be seen here: https://cuffman.be/

I try to give a description for every item I post. It might not be exactly what you're looking for (and there probably are some errors on my site - let me know if you find any) but it might help you a bit.

Peter
djhalfdead 11 Nov 2022
#3
Honestly, those really difficult questions to answer. This forum is a great tool for information on cuffs in general. The gallery is a great tool for pictures and names of cuffs. There really isnt an all inclusive source to find the information you are after. Many of us have collected for 10,20, 30 (and even higher) years and have gained that knowledge as we went. I am even surprised by finding a variant or a model of cuff I did not know existed, from time to time. Peter's collection above is a good representation of a lot of cuffs out there. There are other websites out there as well. Sites like www.blacksteel.com  Ushandcuffs.com  and others that are listed on the title page for www.handcuffs.org  . Each site generally has a section for links as well. Though some sites havent been updated in quite some time and many of the sites on the links list, no longer exist.

There are reference materials as well. The Handcuffs guide books 1 and 2, David Teeters 2 books on Peerless and S&W, Manacles of the world, Joe Lauhers books (british handcuffs,and the Handcuff annuals) and others. Problem is, many of these are out of print. It takes a while to search for them and find them to purchase. Google searches are often helpful as well. Though many terms you search for in vintage handcuffs, etc, will lead you right back here to the pages of the forum. There are decades of information buried in these pages. There are a lot of pictures missing from older threads on here though, due to the PhotoBucket (pic server site) fiasco of many years ago. Unfortunately, many of the older pics, are just no longer available on the forum here. We lost a lot of information int hat debacle and are slowly rebuilding it with every thread we make on here. The thread series that Joe did for us during quarantine is quite helpful and still has all of its pics. Search for "Cuff of the day" in the search box on here. We all participated in this for a few months and was quite nice connecting with other forum members, like everyone used to in the "olden days" of the forum.

I can say that breaking down your requests will tend to get you more assistance. making a thread asking for the name and model/variation of every handcuff isnt going to get you very far. But, asking things like "how many versions of the model 90 S&W cuff are there", will likely get you an answer. Narrowing things down a bit, definitely will help us to help you, better.

On to your question on ASP cuffs. There was a green Identifier that was made from the original series that had the color over the whole body of the cuffs. I was told by the collector I bought mine from, that it was only available through a Police Supply Company named "Gall's." I never determined if that was true or not, but I have no reason to doubt him. Of course, if only one supply warehouse sold them, their numbers wont be too plentiful. I was lucky to get mine from a collector who was getting out of collecting and sold off everything he had. The first series of ASP cuffs had a red slide for the double lock. But, the resin they used to make the cuff's body was too brittle and would often crack or break when they were dropped and even as they aged. I have seen first series that were broken in the package. They stopped with those and changed the material used on the cuff body. The released the series 2 with a yellow slide for the double lock and with solid, resin bodies. This is the same series that has the solid color identifier cuffs that everyone wants to find. The Ultra Series or series 3, was released with  an aluminum frame, as opposed to the steel frames that most cuffs use, to decrease their carrying weight. Even the model 2 had a thin steel frame underneath the resin coating. There were a few other small changes made at that time as well, which you can read up on ASP Ultra cuffs on ASP's website. The last series to be released is the Keyless Double Lock Series at is currently being sold. I guess it could be called the fourth series, but its more like an improvement or a continuation of the 3rd series. So, I suppose you can decide how you want to refer to it. It employs the push button double lock that is used on cuffs like the S&W M&P series, Clejuso and Ralkem to name a few. It allows the officer to apply the double lock without have to use a key to slide the lever. You just push the button located on the spine of the cuff and youre good to go. Hope that helps to unlock one of the mysteries you wanted to solve.
-Richard Knip-

The Green Identifier ASP


The first series ASP with the red double lock slide and the brittle plastic casing.

The 2nd series Identifier with the casing stripped off of one side to show the thin steel frame underneath. The cuff was pretty destroyed on the one side before I stripped of the coating. I decided to turn it into a display piece to show what was under the coating. It was not fun stripping the cuff! LOL!
CuffedUpInIrish 11 Nov 2022
#4
CuffmanBelgium wrote: ↑
Nov 11, 2022
CuffedUpInIrish wrote: ↑
Nov 11, 2022
Sooooo, unlike many here, I'm pretty inexperienced and very much an amateur in all these things, so one thing that gets me confused is the different variants one can find in handcuffs and what they truly are.

For example, it seems to me Hagge, LIPS, SPE and SHN all appear to be more or less the same but from different countries (as far as I understand, Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands?). Which begs the question which of these would ultimately end up being ''better'' than others?

Then looking at things like ASP and all the variations they offer on their site, for example, I simply cannot fathom what makes one different or better from another, apart from some having the push button double lock feature, but that's it. 

And then what is actually available. If anyone has any sort of source that shows makes/models that are in or out of production or whatever, that'd be awesome. For example, HSS9s are no longer in production but HSH1s are, Goncz are no longer made but S&W is etc.

Speaking of ASPs - if anyone can clarify if there are really green Identifier handcuffs in their OLDER version (the solid colours, not the striped ones), or better yet, have such ones for sale (for all colours), please let me know!
My collection can be seen here: https://cuffman.be/

I try to give a description for every item I post. It might not be exactly what you're looking for (and there probably are some errors on my site - let me know if you find any) but it might help you a bit.

Peter
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Your collection has been nothing short of inspirational and enviable :D I've consulted it a few times before! 
Unknown / guest 11 Nov 2022
#5
djhalfdead wrote: ↑
Nov 11, 2022
Honestly, those really difficult questions to answer. This forum is a great tool for information on cuffs in general. The gallery is a great tool for pictures and names of cuffs. There really isnt an all inclusive source to find the information you are after. Many of us have collected for 10,20, 30 (and even higher) years and have gained that knowledge as we went. I am even surprised by finding a variant or a model of cuff I did not know existed, from time to time. Peter's collection above is a good representation of a lot of cuffs out there. There are other websites out there as well. Sites like www.blacksteel.com  Ushandcuffs.com  and others that are listed on the title page for www.handcuffs.org  . Each site generally has a section for links as well. Though some sites havent been updated in quite some time and many of the sites on the links list, no longer exist.

There are reference materials as well. The Handcuffs guide books 1 and 2, David Teeters 2 books on Peerless and S&W, Manacles of the world, Joe Lauhers books (british handcuffs,and the Handcuff annuals) and others. Problem is, many of these are out of print. It takes a while to search for them and find them to purchase. Google searches are often helpful as well. Though many terms you search for in vintage handcuffs, etc, will lead you right back here to the pages of the forum. There are decades of information buried in these pages. There are a lot of pictures missing from older threads on here though, due to the PhotoBucket (pic server site) fiasco of many years ago. Unfortunately, many of the older pics, are just no longer available on the forum here. We lost a lot of information int hat debacle and are slowly rebuilding it with every thread we make on here. The thread series that Joe did for us during quarantine is quite helpful and still has all of its pics. Search for "Cuff of the day" in the search box on here. We all participated in this for a few months and was quite nice connecting with other forum members, like everyone used to in the "olden days" of the forum.
Now see there's a few useful pointers already, I had no idea about the books :) I'll have to keep a wee eye out for them! and a couple of other weblinks I was unaware of too, so any information is good! though now you've brought up the dead photo thing, I had noticed that in older threads before and did wonder what had happened so thank you for theinsight into that! that really is a shame, hope people were able to at least save their photos :/ and the Cuff of the Day threads also served as excellent inspiration!

I can say that breaking down your requests will tend to get you more assistance. making a thread asking for the name and model/variation of every handcuff isnt going to get you very far. But, asking things like "how many versions of the model 90 S&W cuff are there", will likely get you an answer. Narrowing things down a bit, definitely will help us to help you, better.
Yeah, OK, that's fair actually. I guess you could say that this thread was a bit of thinking out loud of kinds, lol. But the input received so far has indeed been enlightening!

On to your question on ASP cuffs. There was a green Identifier that was made from the original series that had the color over the whole body of the cuffs. I was told by the collector I bought mine from, that it was only available through a Police Supply Company named "Gall's." I never determined if that was true or not, but I have no reason to doubt him. Of course, if only one supply warehouse sold them, their numbers wont be too plentiful. I was lucky to get mine from a collector who was getting out of collecting and sold off everything he had. The first series of ASP cuffs had a red slide for the double lock. But, the resin they used to make the cuff's body was too brittle and would often crack or break when they were dropped and even as they aged. I have seen first series that were broken in the package. They stopped with those and changed the material used on the cuff body. The released the series 2 with a yellow slide for the double lock and with solid, resin bodies. This is the same series that has the solid color identifier cuffs that everyone wants to find. The Ultra Series or series 3, was released with  an aluminum frame, as opposed to the steel frames that most cuffs use, to decrease their carrying weight. Even the model 2 had a thin steel frame underneath the resin coating. There were a few other small changes made at that time as well, which you can read up on ASP Ultra cuffs on ASP's website. The last series to be released is the Keyless Double Lock Series at is currently being sold. I guess it could be called the fourth series, but its more like an improvement or a continuation of the 3rd series. So, I suppose you can decide how you want to refer to it. It employs the push button double lock that is used on cuffs like the S&W M&P series, Clejuso and Ralkem to name a few. It allows the officer to apply the double lock without have to use a key to slide the lever. You just push the button located on the spine of the cuff and youre good to go. Hope that helps to unlock one of the mysteries you wanted to solve.
-Richard Knip-
Good grief, all that for just one brand, and seemingly a limited part of the range of products. Boy have I got a lot to learn...but it does confirm my doubts of ever finding a green identifier pair and explains why so few photos of them exist! One can only assume they were in chain and hinge form? 

The Green Identifier ASP


ASP MODEL 100 (dark green) HANDCUFFS SOLD BY GALL'S ONLY (pats pend) #775 FRONT.JPGThe first series ASP with the red double lock slide and the brittle plastic casing. ASP MODEL 100 (black) recalled brittle plastic HANDCUFFS #434 FRONT.JPG

The 2nd series Identifier with the casing stripped off of one side to show the thin steel frame underneath. The cuff was pretty destroyed on the one side before I stripped of the coating. I decided to turn it into a display piece to show what was under the coating. It was not fun stripping the cuff! LOL! IMG_8610.JPGIMG_8611.JPGIMG_8612.JPG
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Thanks for the photos there, quite the insight to say the least! Quite fascinating to see what's underneath actually :) 
djhalfdead 12 Nov 2022
#6
Thank you for the compliments! My collection is not near the quality of some of the collections that belong to other board members. But, I continually upgrade and change and add to my collection to maybe one day, reach the status that they have. My pleasure to provide you with the pictures and the knowledge that I can. We all started somewhere. Part of the thrill in collecting for me, is the thrill of the hunt. That involves both the hunt for knowledge and the hunt for the actual items themselves. I have been very blessed to have other cuff collectors, historians and experts bestow upon me, information pertaining to cuffs and restraints. I feel we should all do the same, or else the knowledge obtained will be lost when we pass.
-Richard Knip-