Thanks Richard I was a bit afraid to use the photo from the site. Ron Jdjhalfdead wrote: ↑Dec 19, 2022This pic may help clarify what Ron is asking. Damon Shields labelled what looks like a standard Bean Cobb Handcuff with replacement H&R locks in them, as being actually made by H&R and carrying the Model number of 124. To the best of my knowledge, i dont think H&R made a single link cuff with swivels? Im pretty sure the only H&R version of the Bean Cobb cuffs had the two chain links with no swivels. Since the H&R Lock assemblies and the bean Cobb lock assemblies are interchangeable, its not unncommon to find cuffs that ar3e mixed parts like this one appears to be.. Can anyone verify this?
-Richard Knip-
H_R-Model-124.jpg
The thing is the H&R locks will fit into the Cobb Bean cuffs perfectly. Thank you for responding though, it is appreciated. Nice looking set as well. . Ron JCuffmanBelgium wrote: ↑Dec 19, 2022
Here is my single link H&R Cobb. I don't think the locks have been replaced on my set.
Peter
Richard thank you for posting this photo. It’s much appreciated. Ron Jdjhalfdead wrote: ↑Dec 21, 2022Well, i ran across this while searching some of my saved pics. I think the restraints on this page are all my by H&R, since the model numbers of some of the other cuffs on here match H&R model numbers. I do not know where this pic came from? It could be from a distributor catalog or an H&R factory catalog. Though the phrase "America's Great Gun House", was actually used by Stoeger Arms. It does appear that H&R did make a cuff that looked exactly like a Bean Cobb. I would have to guess that that handcuff would also have the H&R stamps put on the lock assemblies? So, it seems you both do have H&R made, single link handcuffs (Model 124). Very nice! Congrats on the finds, fellas!
-Richard Knip-H and R ad 1945.jpg
Lars my unmarked set is almost just as nice. Ron Jholstcollection wrote: ↑Dec 21, 2022I have a prestine set for sale. Unmarked and comes from the Swedish Police store back in time. Very nice
Asking price is $165
Please see pictures! Shipping from Sweden is $20.
Lars
Tom, first thank you. I soaked them in Evaporust for 1 hour. Wiped them down with a non abrasive scotch bite pad and 0000 steel wool. Then put some Flitz polish on a rag that I use repeatedly because it seems the stuff never dries if I store the rag in a ziplock bag. Then I oiled the locks. Took a total of maybe an hour and a half, that includes the hour I soaked them. Ron JJeff Sinclair wrote: ↑Dec 29, 2022They're looking great, Ron. Could you tell us the steps you used to get them to that stage? What methods, tools and materials and time you used? I believe a number of the members would be interested to see what it takes to achieve that level of restoration. Thanks.
Tom
Gordon thank you for sharing that information. I also have the double link H&R cuffs as well. I’m happy to know what you’ve shared with us about the purchase. Now I know how H&R was able to reproduce the Cobb/ Bean cuffs made by Lovell Arms. Ron JGordon wrote: ↑Click to expand...Dec 29, 2022John P Lovell Co. was the first manufacturer of the Cobb handcuffs, They were designed by
Lyman Cobb an employee of the Lovell Co. The handcuffs were patented in 1899.
John Lovell died in 1897 and his son died shortly after in 1899. With no one to take over
the company it soon folded in 1900. The handcuff machinery was purchased by
Harrington and Richardson. They continued to make the handcuff with minor variations,
such as the lock case being slightly recessed on the frame, or flush, or slightly above the
frame. The H&R markings were also moving around , straight date or circular.
There are no serial numbers, the why for the numbers on the bow of later cuffs are unknown,
probably for manufacture purpose. There was a change to a 2 link chain. It was an economy
move to make them cheaper. The date of the change is unknown for sure. One collector
said it was timed to be when the patent ran out. The handcuffs and leg-irons were made until 1942.
Mark that typesetter made way to many mistakes. Besides what you’ve already pointed out there’s a Judd leg iron listed as a Maltby. That person just wasn’t having a good day I guess. Ron JMark Lyons O--O Cuffs wrote: ↑Dec 30, 2022Here is an advertisement from 1905 for a Bean and Lovell cuff.
The typesetter may have made a mistake by substituting the Lovell for the Cummings and used the Bean pic twice.
I doubt that this model was sold under the Lovell brand name.
No fault of his own, but he pictured the elusive Bean Giant with slanted keyway.rejones68 wrote: ↑Click to expand...Dec 30, 2022Mark that typesetter made way to many mistakes. Besides what you’ve already pointed out there’s a Judd leg iron listed as a Maltby. That person just wasn’t having a good day I guess. Ron JMark Lyons O--O Cuffs wrote: ↑Dec 30, 2022Here is an advertisement from 1905 for a Bean and Lovell cuff.
The typesetter may have made a mistake by substituting the Lovell for the Cummings and used the Bean pic twice.
I doubt that this model was sold under the Lovell brand name.
