vakevainen.mika
#1The Forum at Handcuffs.Org
Lilly irons on eBay
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rejones68
#2SOLD!
Ariochmagician
#3Check out the markings!
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PaulJDavies
#4You can read about the research of the person accredited with the invention of the irons here-
http://www.handcuffs.org/LillyResearch.pdf
http://www.handcuffs.org/LillyResearch.pdf
vakevainen.mika
#5That was very interesting to read!PaulJDavies wrote: ↑Aug 30, 2023You can read about the research of the person accredited with the invention of the irons here-
http://www.handcuffs.org/LillyResearch.pdf
ronspitz
#6Glad you found the Lilly Research paper interesting. This is the only work that has been done on the subject. The four of us had a lot of fun over the seven months. We learned so much about the Navy and police tactics in New York plus other information that was not included in the paper.
I have sill have been trying to find any documentation on the shackles, without success. Love the research.
Ron
I have sill have been trying to find any documentation on the shackles, without success. Love the research.
Ron
PaulJDavies
#7A further aside to the man himself. When we discovered he was buried at Green-Wood Cemetery, they were running a campaign to mark the graves of all Civil War soldiers buried there, expecting to find 500 or so. When the number surpassed 5000, I think the cost of supplying proper military headstones became too much. We alerted them to Eliakim Lilly who was not on their radar and supplied our research to them for their records. He did not get a headstone but did get a short Biography as attached.-
thenarsian
#8 I was in Brooklyn today on my way back from the City and I decided to head over to Greenwood Cemetery where Sgt Lilly is buried. What I thought would take maybe half an hour ended up taking me more than 3 hours to find his gravesite. I stopped at the office to pick up a map and to confirm the grave information that I found on the forum. It was close but I was told that he was in section 115 instead of section 114. They confirmed that he was in Lot 8999, Grave 886. That information turned out to be all but useless. A good part of that section hadn't been mowed at all over the past year, and many of the gravestones from that time period were unreadable. The stones near where he is laid to rest seem to be scattered, not in any organized rows.
After more than 3 hours of walking in overgrown weeds, I had given up and was heading back to my car when I found him. His stone looks like it was replaced sometime in the 20th century as were about half of the Civil War graves in that section. Whoever carved the new stone messed up on the date of death. They carved 1888 instead of 1863, but that might have been caused by them copying it off of the old stone that was fading. They did have the correct dates on the maps that they gave me.
I'll make sure to visit him whenever I'm in the area now that I know where to find him.
Glenn
After more than 3 hours of walking in overgrown weeds, I had given up and was heading back to my car when I found him. His stone looks like it was replaced sometime in the 20th century as were about half of the Civil War graves in that section. Whoever carved the new stone messed up on the date of death. They carved 1888 instead of 1863, but that might have been caused by them copying it off of the old stone that was fading. They did have the correct dates on the maps that they gave me.
I'll make sure to visit him whenever I'm in the area now that I know where to find him.
Glenn
PaulJDavies
#9Nice work Glenn.
He never had a gravestone prior to this new one, but mis-spelling his name Eliakam instead of Eliakim and having his death date wrong also, 1888 instead of 1863, makes me wonder whether it was worth it?? The cemetery were supposed to contact me if/when a headstone was installed. Total fail.
But thanks for finding it. We may be able to have it rectified.
Paul
He never had a gravestone prior to this new one, but mis-spelling his name Eliakam instead of Eliakim and having his death date wrong also, 1888 instead of 1863, makes me wonder whether it was worth it?? The cemetery were supposed to contact me if/when a headstone was installed. Total fail.
But thanks for finding it. We may be able to have it rectified.
Paul
thenarsian
#10Hey Paul,
Thank you. I had no idea that you guys (The Lilly research team) were responsible for making sure that Lilly received a gravestone. I had assumed incorrectly that the old one was so far gone that they just replaced it. In the large section where he's laid to rest, there are areas with neat rows of Civil War graves, but the further that you go out into the field, the military graves seem scattered and uncared for among the weeds. That is where Lilly can be found. Many stones are knocked over, unreadable, broken, or just plain missing. It was quite sad, to be honest. I could be wrong and it is possible that he is just in a section with many unmarked graves where they plan on installing stones in the future. I hope that's the case.
Below is a pic of the other area where the graves were better-taken care of. You can see that in some cases they have placed newer stones directly in front of older unreadable ones. Lilly can be found about 75 yards from the pic below deep in the weeds. When I go back I'll take a picture of the area where he's located.
The statue in the background is the grave of a 14-year-old drummer boy killed in 1861.
Thank you. I had no idea that you guys (The Lilly research team) were responsible for making sure that Lilly received a gravestone. I had assumed incorrectly that the old one was so far gone that they just replaced it. In the large section where he's laid to rest, there are areas with neat rows of Civil War graves, but the further that you go out into the field, the military graves seem scattered and uncared for among the weeds. That is where Lilly can be found. Many stones are knocked over, unreadable, broken, or just plain missing. It was quite sad, to be honest. I could be wrong and it is possible that he is just in a section with many unmarked graves where they plan on installing stones in the future. I hope that's the case.
Below is a pic of the other area where the graves were better-taken care of. You can see that in some cases they have placed newer stones directly in front of older unreadable ones. Lilly can be found about 75 yards from the pic below deep in the weeds. When I go back I'll take a picture of the area where he's located.
The statue in the background is the grave of a 14-year-old drummer boy killed in 1861.
PaulJDavies
#11I've contacted the cemetery to see if they can fix it.
