Looking For Ian McColl Reproductions

I would like to add Ian McColl's Mirror Cuffs and Russian Manacles to my collection. Any leads would be appreciated.

Iv e got an Ian made Hamburg 8 if interested

Contact me directly:     joefox1031@gmail.com

Components parts for Mirror cuff and Russian manacle available. You can make your own but will need to machine them and create end caps for the Mirror and escutcheon for the Russian manacle. Then you can stamp 'Made in USA' on them . LOL

I have a Mirror (Brema), a Russian, a Gill, a Lorey and the French letter cuff.

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Ron

Bramah

I also have a gaffed Bean Giant.

Hello Ron, is your Gaffed Bean one of mine?

All the cuffs I listed are yours.

I have a Luna Cuff and a Batman cuff that I no longer need!

Mark Lyons O--O Cuffs wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

I have a Luna Cuff and a Batman cuff that I no longer need!

Great that you have had my cuffs. You always complained that my reproductions and replicas devalued the market. I still rememebr you annoyed (at the Indy lock show) that you couldn't work out real from reproduction. When John Bushey questioned you about you not being able to tell the difference and your lack of manucturing techinques and methods, you quickly changed the subject and said "oh I know! but its all the others that don't know that might get fooled. " John and I giggled  You kept telling me I should stamp all my products with ID, after  that engagement, I stopped marking any of my items. Another WIN for MAGA Mark Lyons. 

You must be right because as you say you "are from Australia and superior".
What you say must be true since it is on the Internet now!

I happen to share the opinion that repros of anything intended to be sold should have a way, even if slightly concealed, to identify it as a repro to even someone not in the know. It is the responsible thing to do. To me, there's a difference between a reproduction and a counterfeit. If I bought a handcuff from someone who thought (or purposefully tricked me into believing) it was a genuine original one and then years later a super expert proved to me it was an Ian McColl reproduction, I'd be mortified.

Wesley, I am well known for reproductions and replicas. Those who purchased them know what they have. I am not their moral compass for what they tell the next person. (their religion should have been their guide, it's that right MAGA Mark and Richard Knip (Alan djhalfdead)  Knowledge is any subject is the key, so often at collectible sites, people buy something and THEN, so the search.  It's on countereit when it is made to decieve, as sold as authentic. Many replicas and reproduction are more valueable than the original. In several collection sold in the last few years I have spotted my items. If I know the seller personally, I would ask them about the items and let them know. 

Mark Lyons O--O Cuffs wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

You must be right because as you say you "are from Australia and superior".
What you say must be true since it is on the Internet now!

MAGA Mark, you have a photo of the group of us in the room all involved in that conversation. Thanks for reminding me of that. And fuck it's great to be Australian and live in a free country. 

silentbd wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

I happen to share the opinion that repros of anything intended to be sold should have a way, even if slightly concealed, to identify it as a repro to even someone not in the know. It is the responsible thing to do. To me, there's a difference between a reproduction and a counterfeit. If I bought a handcuff from someone who thought (or purposefully tricked me into believing) it was a genuine original one and then years later a super expert proved to me it was an Ian McColl reproduction, I'd be mortified.

Yes, I agree.

I bought a Luna cuff on eBay many years ago and thought it was a righteous one since I've never seen one before.
Years later I came into a real one and could immediately see the difference between a real one and a copy.
I do recall the McColl conversation mentioned above and did offer my opinion that fake/fantasy or copies should be marked as such as they degrade the hobby when someone shells out the big bucks for what they think is a historical piece and find that they basically have a worthless artefact.
My McColl Luna didn't exactly mortify me as the price was cheap, but I was disappointed that it wasn't real.
Our conversation was that his repos should be marked to avoid collectors from getting ripped off and degrading the hobby.
If a collector gets burned enough times, he or she may lose interest in the hobby as I have seen with the profusion of fake badges and rip off artists in the badge collecting world.
I also collect some higher grade coins and a year or more ago, I submitted a nice gold coin in for grading and it came back as a counterfeit.  I bought it at a reputable coin shop too.  There is a market for reproduction rare coins, but they are generally marked as  "Copy" and are for collectors that can't afford the real deal.
My thought is if I want it bad enough, I'll work harder to earn it.  I have no interest in pretending to have a rare item.

As in coins, badges and handcuffs, there are some collectors who want these copied items and in the case of McColl or KUB cuffs, I get that some collectors admire these items and desire to add them to their collection.
 I know that some degree of skill is put in to make them desirable, but to me, I'll stick with real badges, coins, cuffs and artwork (M.C. Escher if you are familiar)!

Mark Lyons O--O Cuffs wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

silentbd wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

I happen to share the opinion that repros of anything intended to be sold should have a way, even if slightly concealed, to identify it as a repro to even someone not in the know. It is the responsible thing to do. To me, there's a difference between a reproduction and a counterfeit. If I bought a handcuff from someone who thought (or purposefully tricked me into believing) it was a genuine original one and then years later a super expert proved to me it was an Ian McColl reproduction, I'd be mortified.

Our conversation was that his repos should be marked to avoid collectors from getting ripped off and degrading the hobby.

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Glad you admit the conversation took place.  
Degrading the hobby is an interesting descripition. It's not like I have passed laws to degraded people lifestyles or take away their right. The title of this tread suggested the author doesn't see it as degrading but replicas offer someone a chance to own and display something they cannot get.

The description "degrading' would be more correctly used in regard to  those who call collectors of handcuff and have an interest in the adult special interest of DBSM when they are referred to as the 'dirty side' of collecting as happened recently.